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Old 15th May 2023, 22:57
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Believe itís x 4 aircraft from March
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Old 15th May 2023, 22:59
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That is absolutely fantastic news. Now I can dodge MAN and not have to make the heinous M62 trek to LBA for Jet2. Happy days

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Old 16th May 2023, 06:55
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Jet2

The new Jet2 base at LPL is great news for Liverpool and provides more choice for passengers in the North West. As a MAN follower myself I think congratulations ate in order. Jet2 are a great airline. It might even help with congestion at my local airport during peak times 🙂👍
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Old 16th May 2023, 09:12
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Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10
At last , a break to the FR/Easy duopoly. Good news.
Indeed, but I'll give it 2 years and EZY will no longer base at LPL and just fly inbound from the likes of BFS and AMS.
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Old 16th May 2023, 14:38
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
Indeed, but I'll give it 2 years and EZY will no longer base at LPL and just fly inbound from the likes of BFS and AMS.
Not sure why. They are largely serving different markets, with Jet2 being basically the in-house airline for Jet2 Holidays whereas Easyjet is still very much primarily an airline that has a comparatively small bucket-and-spade IT offer.

More likely might be TUI putting more of their own metal into LPL on 'w' patterns in S24 to stem the loss of Merseyside business to their principal rival in for the families Med market.
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Old 16th May 2023, 14:45
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I'm wondering if Easyjet might shift their route emphasis at LPL in S24 slightly away from the likes of Tenerife and a little more towards increasing frequencies to cities not served by Jet2

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Old 16th May 2023, 16:41
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Not sure why. They are largely serving different markets, with Jet2 being basically the in-house airline for Jet2 Holidays whereas Easyjet is still very much primarily an airline that has a comparatively small bucket-and-spade IT offer.
The reason I'd say why is because it's happened elsewhere. Looking at the EasyJet UK network as a whole, Liverpool is now a bit of an outlier. They simply don't have the volume or market power they have elsewhere in their route network and it has reduced in size over the years. I'd say the only reason they haven't already pulled the LPL base is due to relatively little direct competition and the fact it obviously still yields some decent financial return. Guess we'll see if that continues but I personally wouldn't be surprised to see them consolidate at MAN and maintain a token presence at LPL with just some key routes flying on inbounds sectors. Not a theory I've just dreamt up out the blue, but one I've long felt possible if LPL ever got a third big carrier.
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Old 16th May 2023, 16:57
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN
The reason I'd say why is because it's happened elsewhere. Looking at the EasyJet UK network as a whole, Liverpool is now a bit of an outlier. They simply don't have the volume or market power they have elsewhere in their route network and it has reduced in size over the years. I'd say the only reason they haven't already pulled the LPL base is due to relatively little direct competition and the fact it obviously still yields some decent financial return. Guess we'll see if that continues but I personally wouldn't be surprised to see them consolidate at MAN and maintain a token presence at LPL with just some key routes flying on inbounds sectors. Not a theory I've just dreamt up out the blue, but one I've long felt possible if LPL ever got a third big carrier.
I think theyíve stayed there primarily on the back of a legacy relationship with the airport operator and probably a loyal support base in the Liverpool catchment area. I agree though, that current trends would have easyjet retreat to much larger operating bases located strategically around the UKís larger cities. They have a disparity of bases really with LGW, LTN, BRS and LPL and MAN in England now. LBA would make sense as would BHX, with aircraft operating from other bases into LPL to satisfy the higher yielding routes.

Donít see LPL losing them without a fight, but perhaps this latest move by Jet2 is in direct response to an intimation from one of the incumbents.
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Old 16th May 2023, 23:34
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To my mind Easyjet have not growned their Liverpool base the way they should do, dropping long established routes for no particular reason, or running reduced services. They can't expect to have it all their own way doing this. The airport authority have their interests, and would need to react.
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Old 17th May 2023, 01:33
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Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10
To my mind Easyjet have not growned their Liverpool base the way they should do, dropping long established routes for no particular reason, or running reduced services. They can't expect to have it all their own way doing this. The airport authority have their interests, and would need to react.
No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. Thatís the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand.

This could quite easily be Jet2 diverting capacity away from MAN short term with expansion being problematic due to the current redevelopment building works. If so a short term price war will not do LPL airport any good in years to come if Jet2 moves everything in the Northwest back to MAN.
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Old 17th May 2023, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Dct_Mopas
No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. Thatís the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand.

This could quite easily be Jet2 diverting capacity away from MAN short term with expansion being problematic due to the current redevelopment building works. If so a short term price war will not do LPL airport any good in years to come if Jet2 moves everything in the Northwest back to MAN.
Regardless of what may or may not happen with easyjet/Ryanair, Jet2 are going to be there to stay. Itís part of their growth angenda and another large city region added to their network. Itís not overspill for MAN, itís an entirely separate operation.
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Originally Posted by Dct_Mopas
No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. Thatís the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand.

This could quite easily be Jet2 diverting capacity away from MAN short term with expansion being problematic due to the current redevelopment building works. If so a short term price war will not do LPL airport any good in years to come if Jet2 moves everything in the Northwest back to MAN.

Dont buy that.
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Old 17th May 2023, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Dct_Mopas
No airline is a charity, the flights would have been dropped/ reduced as not performing and contributing to a profitable operation. Thatís the only reason flights are removed. The easyJet (and Ryanair) bases have fluctuated in size over the years based on yield and demand..
I'm not sure that can be said of easyJet and Liverpool. I'd been told they've done some pretty bad things, including putting a route on sale last year (Rhodes, I think it was) at Liverpool which was then switched to Manchester late into the booking cycle despite being very well sold at LPL. The reason was reputedly that it was going to fall fractionally short of a volume threshold in its commercial deal at MAN and needed to put more pax through MAN to hit the target. It's clearly in the interests of the airline's profitability to do so but this is just one instance of LPL losing out through no fault of its own or due to adverse performance of the LPL market.

Good on LPL for attracting Jet2. It's fantastic news for the airport and if they approach the LPL market in the way they have done elsewhere, I am sure it will be a success.
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Old 17th May 2023, 11:09
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I can see EZY running as people have pointed out they have not shown to much commitment to LPL in recent years while exploding at MAN. RYR on the other hand I would suggest will fight back. Would be a shame if EZY did retreat as that would mean Jet2 simply replacing lost seats rather than substantial growth. I am not to sure that Jet2's appeance at LPL could be in part something to do with constaints at MAN wihile development work continues - and if that is the case then there is nowhere for EZY to run anyway. Interesting times ahead...
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Old 17th May 2023, 11:29
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It’s probably not true to say that easyJet haven’t shown commitment to LPL. All airports were subject to review at the beginning of Covid, with some (eg Newcastle) closing. LPL saw a slight reduction in based units, but is back up to 7 this Summer. There has certainly been a refocus on sun routes and that probably brings them more into conflict with Jet 2. However, it’s illogical to assume that both can’t exist at LPL when they can at MAN. Both airports have wide catchment areas.
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I'm really not sure what some posters here don't get about LPL, Jet2 and their prospects. Phil Meason didn't wake up one morning and decide on some kind of whim to move into Liverpool, it will have been a well considered business decision aimed at increasing market share. Not all of Merseyside is a poor ghetto, no more than Manchester, Birmingham or any of our cities. There are prosperous area on both sides of the Mersey and towns such as Southport that will ensure Jet2 prosper, alongside Easyjet and Ryanair.

There appears, and I expressed this opinion previously, that Manchester has the sole right to first dibs on all air services in Northern England if some posters are to be believed, in some ways similar to London attitudes towards the rest of the UK.

I write this as someone who doesn't have a vested interest, residing as I do in the East Midlands.
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Old 17th May 2023, 12:47
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I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2ís social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines donít make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchesterís own fault.
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Old 17th May 2023, 22:44
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Originally Posted by Cleared For A Coffee
I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2ís social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines donít make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchesterís own fault.
When did you last fly from MAN T2? To say now, that is is a "truly awful experience" does not seem fair to me. It is hugely improved since last Summer, for example, based on my flights to/from there this month. Not sure the same can be said for the other terminals however...
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Originally Posted by Cleared For A Coffee
I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2ís social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines donít make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchesterís own fault.
This is an expansion in the NW of England, what the hell do you me ďManchester has done this to themselvesĒ?!
You obviously ainít got a clue!

Are you getting confused with Terminal 1 or 3 in Manchester, because Terminal 2 is the newest and largest terminal, only to get bigger by 2025 with the refurbishment of the legacy Terminal 2.
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Originally Posted by Cleared For A Coffee
I think what most of the negative replies to this news are missing is that Manchester have done this to themselves. I live abroad and unfortunately have to use T2 frequently. It is a truly awful experience and if I had the option (which I unfortunately do not) I would use Liverpool.

Away from these boards in the real world, that seems to be the general consensus. Just look at the feedback on Jet2ís social media since the announcement, it will tell you everything you need to know.

Airlines donít make massive decisions like this on a whim. You can kick and scream all you like, but EZY & FR are going nowhere and Jet2 look to be there to stay too.

Manchesterís own fault.
Manchester's own fault? You do realise that the base at Manchester is pretty much full now dont you? There isn't stand availability to expand more at the moment. The aircraft being allocated aren't being lost from Manchester. Far from it. They are being swapped out for larger aircraft and by happy coincidence these four aircraft will be used to open a new base. Jet2 are still expanding at Manchester....

So tell me again, how is a successful airline/holiday company, utilitising it's assets in the best way possible to grow the business, somehow "Manchester's own Fault......"
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