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Reality is and as I understand it Loganair have already spent (allotted ) all the lovely (blighted imho!) BMi remedy slots with consolidation of the Dundee, Derry and Highland services from other airports .
So unless they give up one of these (and two receive PSO grants !) you can forget it !
I haven’t looked (no need) but can anyone tell if Aer Lingus and their franchisee partners are offering competitive prices via Dublin today , through the schedules arent exactly conducive to a day return business meeting!
As to hey Eurovision was a success therefore we deserve flights to xyz a throw away platitude not worth a direct reply to be honest .
Actually I will. Such events have an immediacy and generate a tiny uplift in tourism and maybe a few weeks post event , this declines steadily after that as people “park” those memories as sociologists sometimes say.
In the case of Liverpool the range of interests are pretty self limiting - not uninteresting and certainly worth seeing and experiencing if you can; but to be honest a single trip will cover it.
People in millions from around the world will consider an afternoon in Stratford having done it once in a live time and never return- need I say anymore.
Liverpool isn’t a return venue (especially so for the time poor international traveler) other than day trippers from the neighbouring towns, clubbers on a night out , business conference/training sessions and occasional music concert (Same is true for Manchester to be honest).
Even the Maritime site has been delisted as a World Heritage site - Not a good thing is it?
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Generally agree through KLC would certainly still be useful (Caveat the fact the later day Embraer engine problems and Dutch government green agenda)
Reality is and as I understand it Loganair have already spent (allotted ) all the lovely (blighted imho!) BMi remedy slots with consolidation of the Dundee, Derry and Highland services from other airports .
So unless they give up one of these (and two receive PSO grants !) you can forget it !
I haven’t looked (no need) but can anyone tell if Aer Lingus and their franchisee patner are offering competitive prices via Dublin today , through the schedules arent exactly conducive to a day return business meeting!
As to hey Eurovision was a success therefore we deserve flights to xyz a throw away platitude not worth a direct reply to be honest .
Actually i will such events have an immediacy and generate a tiny uplift in tourism and maybe a few weeks post event , this declines steadily after that as people “park” those memories as sociologists and might imply.
In the case of Liverpool the range of interests are pretty self limiting (not un interesting and certainly worth seeing and experiencing if you can) and to be honest a single trip can cover most of it 9in a ge real touristy way) - Hey people in millions from around the world will consider an afternoon in Stratford having done it once in a live time and never return well need i say more.
Liverpool isn’t a return venue - other than day trippers from the neighbouring towns, clubbers on a night out , business conference/training sessions and occasional music concert (Same is true for Manchester to be honest).
Reality is and as I understand it Loganair have already spent (allotted ) all the lovely (blighted imho!) BMi remedy slots with consolidation of the Dundee, Derry and Highland services from other airports .
So unless they give up one of these (and two receive PSO grants !) you can forget it !
I haven’t looked (no need) but can anyone tell if Aer Lingus and their franchisee patner are offering competitive prices via Dublin today , through the schedules arent exactly conducive to a day return business meeting!
As to hey Eurovision was a success therefore we deserve flights to xyz a throw away platitude not worth a direct reply to be honest .
Actually i will such events have an immediacy and generate a tiny uplift in tourism and maybe a few weeks post event , this declines steadily after that as people “park” those memories as sociologists and might imply.
In the case of Liverpool the range of interests are pretty self limiting (not un interesting and certainly worth seeing and experiencing if you can) and to be honest a single trip can cover most of it 9in a ge real touristy way) - Hey people in millions from around the world will consider an afternoon in Stratford having done it once in a live time and never return well need i say more.
Liverpool isn’t a return venue - other than day trippers from the neighbouring towns, clubbers on a night out , business conference/training sessions and occasional music concert (Same is true for Manchester to be honest).
Typical biased response from Mr Angry who has no knowledge of the city. Not worth a response .
From 5 per day ( at one point ) to a regular 3 per day to a sudden 1 per day. No it isn't. Its way under supplied. It based on the fact they are using their aircraft on longer routes to Turkey. Demand doesnt drop just like that.
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The final paragraph is exactly what the regional tourist industry sells !
Nothing negative just reality as opposed to relentless optimism sans foundation !
It applies to vast vast majority of British regional cities most tourism IS pretty locally generated . Could equally apply to similar cities anywhere in Europe as well - Parts of Nantes aren’t pretty either .
List of things to see in Liverpool ( according to Visit Liverpool )
Docks/ Maritime Museum Area
Ferry trip
Peaky Blinder Tours
Beatles Tours
Football stadium Tours
Shopping
And yes some nice eateries
And that night life and clubbing.
Yes you have some excellent galleries and museum no doubt - However few would make repeat long trips for those - caveat an occasional person to see a specific artist and exhibition - That said many of the touring ones will probably have other venues as will music events.
More interesting are the cities association with the slave trade and cotton and similar commodities on a global scale and the impact of the Industrial Revolution and canals and railways - All is shared and inextricably linked with the neighbouring cities and the North West identity.
A trip to the official Visit Liverpool web site implies a maximum entertainment experience would be 48 hours at a push , oh and then goes on to offer a range of other trips out of town to the likes of Chester, The Lakes , North Wales and laughably The Trafford Centre and indeed Manchester.
Thats not anger just cold headed reality
You need to grasp some critical thinking and develop interpersonal skills , read and stop attacking individuals .
Critique comments and offer alternative views .
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Liverpool is in many ways similar to East Midlands Airport insofar as it is too close to a much larger airport and commercial centre that sucks in not only the principal European hub carriers but also, especially in the case of Liverpool (regarding Manchester) more than a sprinkling of major long haul airlines. EMA has struggled since it opened to attract and retain the likes of KLM, Air France, Lufthansa etc, though LH did codeshare with BMI Regional for a short while. At least LPL has attracted Lufthansa! The problem with these business routes is that the business traveller requires multiple daily frequencies that can be justified commercially at MAN and BHX but just won't work for LPL and EMA.
The market at both LPL and EMA is leisure, mostly outbound although Liverpool has more going for it inbound wise that Nottingham, Derby and Leicester combined. A surprisingly untapped market at LPL I would have thought is cargo, especially as a potential Northwestern hub for the integrators, but perhaps Peel aren't interested, or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.
The market at both LPL and EMA is leisure, mostly outbound although Liverpool has more going for it inbound wise that Nottingham, Derby and Leicester combined. A surprisingly untapped market at LPL I would have thought is cargo, especially as a potential Northwestern hub for the integrators, but perhaps Peel aren't interested, or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.
or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.
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Liverpool is in many ways similar to East Midlands Airport insofar as it is too close to a much larger airport and commercial centre that sucks in not only the principal European hub carriers but also, especially in the case of Liverpool (regarding Manchester) more than a sprinkling of major long haul airlines. EMA has struggled since it opened to attract and retain the likes of KLM, Air France, Lufthansa etc, though LH did codeshare with BMI Regional for a short while. At least LPL has attracted Lufthansa! The problem with these business routes is that the business traveller requires multiple daily frequencies that can be justified commercially at MAN and BHX but just won't work for LPL and EMA.
The market at both LPL and EMA is leisure, mostly outbound although Liverpool has more going for it inbound wise that Nottingham, Derby and Leicester combined. A surprisingly untapped market at LPL I would have thought is cargo, especially as a potential Northwestern hub for the integrators, but perhaps Peel aren't interested, or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.
The market at both LPL and EMA is leisure, mostly outbound although Liverpool has more going for it inbound wise that Nottingham, Derby and Leicester combined. A surprisingly untapped market at LPL I would have thought is cargo, especially as a potential Northwestern hub for the integrators, but perhaps Peel aren't interested, or the likes of DHL, UPS and FedEx feel they can properly serve the region from EMA despite the lamentable state of UK road infrastructure.
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The vast majority of tourists will always fly into EDI, LHR/LGW
and then include places like Liverpool as an excursion on the train perhaps
The argument that LJLA doesn't get enough inbound tourists:
Without the VFR demand to the Middle East and the Subcontinent, Manchester is really just a huge leisure airport with a sprinkling of university traffic from China..
In the TCX/Virgin heyday all of those US flights were a result of tourism to the US, not from it.
Sadly being in the middle of the country makes a lot of these "London and Scotland and XXXX Northern area" trips quite difficult.
The regions sadly will always lose the inbound traffic, at least coming from the US.
Route networks are a good barometer of the tourism situation. Rather inbound areas like Edinburgh are doing fantastic while heavily outbound areas like the North West aren't doing so great.
I do expect, now Rishi has got the GBP-USD back from the crazy lows of the Truss era to a humble 1.25-1.26 and rising, we'll see an increase back to pre-COVID levels of outbound US tourism in a few years time. For now markets like Turkey and Greece will thrive
Manchester-Liverpool area has always had something going on for it inbound wise, definitely more than Birmingham, Leeds or Nottingham but not nearly as much as Edinburgh and London
The area has historically done well with specifically Norwegians going to the football. Liverpool supports Wideroe and Manchester gets flights with D8 to various secondary Norwegian cities. Perhaps if the airports advertised the footy tourism too that could work..
and then include places like Liverpool as an excursion on the train perhaps
The argument that LJLA doesn't get enough inbound tourists:
Without the VFR demand to the Middle East and the Subcontinent, Manchester is really just a huge leisure airport with a sprinkling of university traffic from China..
In the TCX/Virgin heyday all of those US flights were a result of tourism to the US, not from it.
Sadly being in the middle of the country makes a lot of these "London and Scotland and XXXX Northern area" trips quite difficult.
The regions sadly will always lose the inbound traffic, at least coming from the US.
Route networks are a good barometer of the tourism situation. Rather inbound areas like Edinburgh are doing fantastic while heavily outbound areas like the North West aren't doing so great.
I do expect, now Rishi has got the GBP-USD back from the crazy lows of the Truss era to a humble 1.25-1.26 and rising, we'll see an increase back to pre-COVID levels of outbound US tourism in a few years time. For now markets like Turkey and Greece will thrive
Manchester-Liverpool area has always had something going on for it inbound wise, definitely more than Birmingham, Leeds or Nottingham but not nearly as much as Edinburgh and London
The area has historically done well with specifically Norwegians going to the football. Liverpool supports Wideroe and Manchester gets flights with D8 to various secondary Norwegian cities. Perhaps if the airports advertised the footy tourism too that could work..
There is nothing to attack at LPL, but the airport sits where it sits both in terms of its geographical location (too close to MAN) and in the CAA league tables. It serves its market quite well it appears, and having attracted Jet2 will do even better.
EMA suffers due to proximity to BHX, BHX suffers from being too close to MAN and London in general.
In point of fact to the best of my knowledge I have never been banned from AA&R. I have been given time out from a couple of JB threads.
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I am really sorry, that piece was intended as rational analysis.
There is nothing to attack at LPL, but the airport sits where it sits both in terms of its geographical location (too close to MAN) and in the CAA league tables. It serves its market quite well it appears, and having attracted Jet2 will do even better.
EMA suffers due to proximity to BHX, BHX suffers from being too close to MAN and London in general.
In point of fact to the best of my knowledge I have never been banned from AA&R. I have been given time out from a couple of JB threads.
There is nothing to attack at LPL, but the airport sits where it sits both in terms of its geographical location (too close to MAN) and in the CAA league tables. It serves its market quite well it appears, and having attracted Jet2 will do even better.
EMA suffers due to proximity to BHX, BHX suffers from being too close to MAN and London in general.
In point of fact to the best of my knowledge I have never been banned from AA&R. I have been given time out from a couple of JB threads.
No quite a bit was filmed in Stockport as I actually watched some of it because we have the best theatre of its kind in the UK.
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Its not in Edge Hill and had the audacity to be built and funded in the support of Manchester council tax payers . Its a work in progress for heavens sake , and yes its a bloody long walk to the first pier (not unique try some of the T3 stands at Heathrow !)
There are a few here and in « tall towers » carrying simply prejudice without adding anything useful to the discord .
Caveat the MAG group continued work during COVID and hasn’t delivered a dividend whilst hemorrhaging cash -still investment and job creation for the NorthWest which is not to be sniffed at.
What has Peel delivered - a bloody Greggs !
There are a few here and in « tall towers » carrying simply prejudice without adding anything useful to the discord .
Caveat the MAG group continued work during COVID and hasn’t delivered a dividend whilst hemorrhaging cash -still investment and job creation for the NorthWest which is not to be sniffed at.
What has Peel delivered - a bloody Greggs !
Starting with awful security, terrible terminal facilities / amenities (have you visited the toilets/) massive walks with not working travelators (unlike LHR T3) and no facilities at any of the gates...
And now, not T2 related, but single runway ops for the majority of the operating hours. It's a third world airport.
I won't comment further on here though as this is LPL, so please feel free to attack me over on the MAN thread.