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£138M is not a lot of money and the first question is what could be achieved with it.
LBA and EMA do exist - but EMA actually doesn't do that well as a passenger airport as it is and is reliant on cargo for viability. LBA is no the best operationally but it is local catchment and log term airport airline bases which matter. LTN is arguably similar. No one suggests it should be closed.
Objectively, the DSA experiment failed I'm afraid - let it go. Don't let it raise people's hope as a political football.
LBA and EMA do exist - but EMA actually doesn't do that well as a passenger airport as it is and is reliant on cargo for viability. LBA is no the best operationally but it is local catchment and log term airport airline bases which matter. LTN is arguably similar. No one suggests it should be closed.
Objectively, the DSA experiment failed I'm afraid - let it go. Don't let it raise people's hope as a political football.
EMA just about survives and it relatively easy to get to from Nottingham, Derby and Leicester and it's not too hard from Birmingham and Stoke. DSA is really Sheffield & Doncaster
Look how hard it is a Cardiff
Look how hard it is a Cardiff
Its not the fault of the population but of lack of investment over decades. A familiar UK problem.
just look at Aberdeen since the oil price started falling 10 years ago..................
None of this Gainshare stuff is new, they’ve been talking about it for months. This was just a formality to show they’re doing something.
Interesting comments from York Aviation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...e-68272394.amp
Course she’s accused of being in Peels pockets, all part of the ‘peel just wanted the land’ narrative.
Who knows, perhaps the winning bidder, whoever it is, a revolutionary solution.
Louise Congdon, an expert on airport economics at the York Aviation consultancy, warned that while re-opening Doncaster-Sheffield Airport might create good employment opportunities, Doncaster Council should "not expect any money back".
"The market is focusing on bigger airports where airlines can make more money," she said.
"To get airlines to use marginal airports like Doncaster, you have to pay them large sums to get them to operate.
"In those circumstances, it's unlikely a smaller airport like Doncaster would be able to cover its operating costs."
"The market is focusing on bigger airports where airlines can make more money," she said.
"To get airlines to use marginal airports like Doncaster, you have to pay them large sums to get them to operate.
"In those circumstances, it's unlikely a smaller airport like Doncaster would be able to cover its operating costs."
Course she’s accused of being in Peels pockets, all part of the ‘peel just wanted the land’ narrative.
Who knows, perhaps the winning bidder, whoever it is, a revolutionary solution.
She's not the only one, though
https://www.localgov.co.uk/Major-ste...eopening/58848
The project could be funded by Doncaster’s £138m share of South Yorkshire’s devolution funding. The cash is due to be released in 26 annual instalments of around £5.3m.
The combined authority did note that costs are likely to exceed these annual allocations, so the council may have to borrow in the short term, and said the project involves ‘significant financial risk’.
The combined authority did note that costs are likely to exceed these annual allocations, so the council may have to borrow in the short term, and said the project involves ‘significant financial risk’.
Peel will want to build houses on it eventually. They were quick to voice caution when TVCA purchased Teesside, the market has changed from what it was 20 years ago that’s for sure.
I agree, I'm all for airports but can't see where they are going to get the business from to make it a successful airport. There seems to be talk of attracting aviation related businesses "the sustainable aviation hub", but if they want a business park with a runway in the middle there are different ways of going about it.
I agree, I'm all for airports but can't see where they are going to get the business from to make it a successful airport. There seems to be talk of attracting aviation related businesses "the sustainable aviation hub", but if they want a business park with a runway in the middle there are different ways of going about it.
Do wonder whether there has been some influence over the Gateway East site that Peel are involved in, which may have given the council a bit of bargaining power. Not beyond the realms of possibility that an operator of high calibre could rejouvinate the airport leading to Peel re-investing in the DSA company. Optimistic scenario maybe, but not impossible. Still struggle to see how it will pan out like that, what with a large investment package going in to LBA which will see stand capacity massively increased.
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Course she’s accused of being in Peels pockets, all part of the ‘peel just wanted the land’ narrative.
Who knows, perhaps the winning bidder, whoever it is, a revolutionary solution.
Course she’s accused of being in Peels pockets, all part of the ‘peel just wanted the land’ narrative.
Who knows, perhaps the winning bidder, whoever it is, a revolutionary solution.
It is economies of density. The marginal cost of an additional passenger at the larger airports is lower and airlines can negotiate a better deal and have a bigger market to sell into. There is no reason, unless all other markets are saturated or a network airline is looking for network growth, for an airline to go to a small airport unless they are offered a similar deal. The only way a small airport can offer that cheaper deal is if some other party pays a subsidy.
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That was the Peel MO. Cheap and cheerful as long as you put x number of passengers through our terminal so we can generate revenue through ancillaries. Won them a court case against Bmibaby which provided a rare public example of the commercial terms on offer, got FlyBe in at a cost to themselves rumoured to be £1million per year. Only really worked at LPL because they have a bigger population to draw from. It’s why I can’t understand where the high charges rumours come from but it seems to be accepted that this was the case. Probably only half a story, airlines wanting the freebies but not putting the volume through would be my guess.
The problem, if you are a public body or wealthy owner of the airport paying the subsidy, is picking to right airline. If the airline tries to renege on the deal or goes out of business, the passengers leave with them. This is not always understood by those providing the subsidy.