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Six BA flights booked; three cancelled by BA. One lot cancelled at two days’ notice, the other at ten weeks’.
I suppose that I should be grateful that the cancellation rate was ONLY 50% !
I have family loyalty to BA ; but it is being seriously threatened !
It is not just a matter of the flights; there are other things going on in relation to the travel including arrangements made with other peoples’ travel. The whole issue makes it nigh on impossible to co-ordinate our holidays.
Not good enough !
I suppose that I should be grateful that the cancellation rate was ONLY 50% !
I have family loyalty to BA ; but it is being seriously threatened !
It is not just a matter of the flights; there are other things going on in relation to the travel including arrangements made with other peoples’ travel. The whole issue makes it nigh on impossible to co-ordinate our holidays.
Not good enough !
It is about time that the CAA got stuck into the cancellation issue, starting with comparisons between various operators of their cancellation rates. We can all understand the Lockdown issues from the last two years, were it not for the fact that other carriers, home and overseas, seem to be back to running full schedules. Hopefully the CAA still have enough nouse to identify the real reason for the differences, rather than accepting a one paragraph excuse from Sean Doyle's whitewash department. There also seems to be some hiding in the statistics of measuring cancellation rates against schedule at point of departure, so those dropped in advance are not measured. The CAA used to be very tough on airlines "having insufficient resources to operate their published schedule", to the extent that it could be necessary to charter in very expensively to cover a flight AOG or crewless which had few people booked on it anyway, so there must be procedures for this.
so comprehensively that their travel proposed plan became completely unworkable...
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Which Magazine also reported that it had complained to the CAA about BA’s cancellations and their belief that BA was not following the correct rules regarding duty of care etc to passengers. https://www.which.co.uk/policy/trave...routing-policy
Do you think that carriers like TUI or Jet2 are just dumping people's holidays, with cancellations at a few days' notice, leaving those in the resorts stuck there ?
Then add creating a new low cost subsidiary at LGW as it was the "only way to turn a profit" but is clearly a stick to put pressure on mainline and you can see why the wheels are coming off.
has for some months now certainly been advertising and selling tickets for flights on what looks remarkably like their pre-Covid schedule on a couple of routes I'm very very familiar with.. The reality of what's operated on the day has however been consistently different from the plan, and the cancellations/consolidations have nothing to do with the airport(s).
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So, BA are leasing in capacity from Iberia Express, Finnair and Titan (at least, maybe others I'm not aware of), but have a whole fleet of 321ceo's (the G-EUXx aircraft, at least) that sit idle, apparently as they haven't the crews to operate them...brilliant!
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Taking permanent staff at the moment is not such a good deal for employers or shareholder value , more rather managing the situation is the goal even it that impacts some revenues ( over yield) with cancellation some compensation payment risk, and a little customer disappointment in the process.
Pretty much as BA are doing through this summer. They really really don’t want to take on permanent contracted staff right now with training costs etc….. if come winter they need to be let them go again.
It a pure case of managing and sweating resources and as it happens Finnair been so damaged by the Ukraine military campaign and closure of neighbouring Russian airspace having availability immediately and at no doubt competitive rates !
These leases are clearly simply part of that management process.
Finnair are also operating the Helsinki - Barcelona route on behalf of Iberia ( have been doing so for some time)
Whilst equally hit by the current conflict Air Baltic are operating for both SAS and Lufthansa ( Eurowings) for similar reasons.
The industry is in crisis and the current economic trajectories aren’t exactly rosey right now!
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Not at all, those were crewed wholly by BA, who set up a DC-10 pilot pool at Heathrow to run them, for quite some years in the late 1970s. The crew used to go to KLM in Amsterdam for their periodic Sim sessions. There were aircraft utilisation reasons why they came to this arrangement with ANZ, which I was a regular on LHR-LAX in those years. There's a periodic poster on here who was one of the BA FOs on this at the time.
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Plus as we've learnt it's worth having them ready for the up turn which happens inevitably.
Taking permanent staff at the moment is not such a good deal for employers or shareholder value, more rather managing the situation is the goal even it that impacts some revenues ( over yield) with cancellation some compensation payment risk, and a little customer disappointment in the process.
As we have seen over many years at BA, the mantra to cut cost as the expense of almost everything else (except perhaps safety) has driven them to the point where they are taking the kind of measures that we are discussing, and although as you say these things are done with the aim that they enhance "shareholder value", those same shareholders surely can't like that assets are sat on the ground costing money rather then being "sweated" as you claim.