TUI airways-2

[JonnyH]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

You are aware that Jet2 have been using Smartlynx too, right?

Agreed - although I suppose you could argue Jet2 seem to deal with the significant delays better as they do seem to be able to move things around a little. TUI have been relying heavily throughout the summer on Wamos coming in to cover these gaps at MAN, BHX & DSA. It cannot have come cheap.

Without wanting to sound like it’s all doom and gloom with TUI, as we all know it’s been an incredibly difficult year due to a multitude of reasons, what are they going to do for S23? Likely to be no Sunwing (which will affect ABZ, NWI, CWL, BFS). If I remember correctly, they had postponed and spread their Max delivery out due to the grounding of the fleet and the 788/789s expected are unlikely to make an impact. Suppose there’s an argument they shouldn’t have got rid of some of their 757/767s but let’s not get into that!… :-)

[GBYAJ]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

I think it will just reflect the same oft repeated opinions - I was just wondering if there were ever any analysis to support them. For example, based on casual observation, nobody would go anywhere near a TOM 787 out of Newcastle but there is a bit more to it than that.

yes that mental note is to avoid Florida during a hurricane which just happens make the TUI 788 look bad!! . I don’t remember the avion/smartynx issues being caused by weather more like numerous technical issues with the passenger experience made worse by old/ shabby interiors referred to above

[fjencl]

Is Glasgow a year round TUI Base.
If so, what aircraft are based here ???

Thanks

[manchesterflyer2]

Originally Posted by fjencl

Is Glasgow a year round TUI Base.
If so, what aircraft are based here ???

Thanks

It is a year round base. 2 aircraft from the 737 fleet in the summer with 787 flying several days a week. 1 x 737 in the winter.

[SWBKCB]

yes that mental note is to avoid Florida during a hurricane which just happens make the TUI 788 look bad!! . I don’t remember the avion/smartynx issues being caused by weather more like numerous technical issues with the passenger experience made worse by old/ shabby interiors referred to above

Again, perception vs reality - the 787 has had issues throughout the summer, not just the hurricane season. From my casual observation of the NIA arrivals board I could come on here and say there have been more delays than on time arrivals this summer, but I don't have any facts to back it up...

[GBYAJ]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Again, perception vs reality - the 787 has had issues throughout the summer, not just the hurricane season. From my casual observation of the NIA arrivals board I could come on here and say there have been more delays than on time arrivals this summer, but I don't have any facts to back it up...

😂.

I’ll send you the on time performance spreadsheet that I maintained for this very purpose! historic reviews on skytrax etc also remain available to check it out.

You make a very good point though. I was reading on a Bristol Facebook page about how unreliable Airways International Cymru 737 G-BAZI was back in the day. Obviously this was ex Britannia which became TUI. However, I’ve gone back and disputed the memories of people who were there and asked for evidence of this unreliability!

sometimes your posts are interesting, other times…. 🤔

[Mooncrest]

Originally Posted by GBYAJ

😂.

I’ll send you the on time performance spreadsheet that I maintained for this very purpose! historic reviews on skytrax etc also remain available to check it out.

You make a very good point though. I was reading on a Bristol Facebook page about how unreliable Airways International Cymru 737 G-BAZI was back in the day. Obviously this was ex Britannia which became TUI. However, I’ve gone back and disputed the memories of people who were there and asked for evidence of this unreliability!

sometimes your posts are interesting, other times…. 🤔

I once read in a book about G-BAZI, something about it being the "black sheep" of the Britannia 737 fleet. I can't remember which book but it does explain why Britannia got rid. Ironic that said aircraft would still be at least partly employed on Thomson Holidays work from Bristol and Cardiff with its new owner!

[SWBKCB]

All my posts are essential reading

I was just wondering whether somebody could show that the on time performance of Smartlynx and Avion Express was X% worse than the rest of the fleet, rather than everybody saying they were terrible

[Yeehaw22]

Originally Posted by manchesterflyer2

It is a year round base. 2 aircraft from the 737 fleet in the summer with 787 flying several days a week. 1 x 737 in the winter.

S22 has been 2 x max and 1 x 788 based all summer.
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W22 is 2 x max at present.

[Yeehaw22]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Again, perception vs reality - the 787 has had issues throughout the summer, not just the hurricane season. From my casual observation of the NIA arrivals board I could come on here and say there have been more delays than on time arrivals this summer, but I don't have any facts to back it up...

A huge % of 787 'issues' this summer have not been aircraft related. Especially on the part time based aircraft, positioning aircraft out of certain UK airports has been horrendous. This with the tight schedules has a big knock on effect.

[Alex321]

TUI would be in a better position during the summer if they didn't position the 787 fleet left right and centre base to base every other day, the planners need to create a more simple schedule with less positioning sectors which would allow more recovery time for the 787 schedule.

[Charley B]

Originally Posted by JonnyH

Aircraft out of position and working outside of schedule due to hurricane Ian.

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Thanks for info ..both have now returned to their MAD base

[GBYAJ]

[QUOTE=SWBKCB;11307869]All my posts are essential reading

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[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Are the last two B767s leaving the fleet at the end of the summer?

[pabely]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

You are aware that Jet2 have been using Smartlynx too, right?

TUI should have alot more Maxs delivered for next year as long as Boeing can supply. Not saying they might need to lease some more kit for the summer months though.

[VickersVicount]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Are the last two B767s leaving the fleet at the end of the summer?

See post #862

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by VickersVicount

See post #862

Perfect, thanks!! Not actually flown with TUI and it's well overdue.

[GBYAJ]

Originally Posted by Mooncrest

I once read in a book about G-BAZI, something about it being the "black sheep" of the Britannia 737 fleet. I can't remember which book but it does explain why Britannia got rid. Ironic that said aircraft would still be at least partly employed on Thomson Holidays work from Bristol and Cardiff with its new owner!

There’s a YouTube video about the rise and fall of AIC (and lots of other airlines from that time) and ZI retained its BY interior so not much change for a Thomson holidays customer!

[Mooncrest]

Originally Posted by GBYAJ

There’s a YouTube video about the rise and fall of AIC (and lots of other airlines from that time) and ZI retained its BY interior so not much change for a Thomson holidays customer!

I don't know how Airways Cymru faired financially generally but they should have made some steady brass out of WLAD during her lease to British Midland and subsequent sub--lease to Manx.

[EPRman]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Are the last two B767s leaving the fleet at the end of the summer?

The current plan is they are scheduled to leave at the end of summer 2023. As with most things in aviation that could change.