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Old 6th Apr 2023, 16:06
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
MARKEYD, it's very reassuring to read about the cargo operation restarting later this month. Are the consultative committee minutes available to the public?

I wonder if the rumours of an easyJet base at SOU will provoke BOH owners into putting a revised bid to come to BOH instead.

The major missing link that's needed to lock in a base for someone like easyJet would be an hourly airport shuttle from the train station to the airport from 04:00 to 00:00
EZY will likely see SOU as a potential money spinner as transport links are already in place and there is no direct competition from RYR etc. With the runway completed it will suit the Airbus fleet very well for a 2/3 aircraft base
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Old 7th Apr 2023, 07:44
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EZY will likely see SOU as a potential money spinner as transport links are already in place and there is no direct competition from RYR etc. With the runway completed it will suit the Airbus fleet very well for a 2/3 aircraft base
...apart from the operating hours, which are not optimal for an LCC. We can hope though.
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Old 7th Apr 2023, 21:07
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Very true.

But it wouldn’t stop Easyjet trying some inbound flying from European bases to SOU. Enough that it might act as a deterrent to people living in Southampton/Portsmouth and thinking of using BOH instead of LGW. Thus keeping business in EasyJet.

However, EasyJet do seem to serve two different markets between SOU & BOH if you take GVA as the example, so perhaps the catchments are less overlapping than we thought?
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
Very true.

But it wouldn’t stop Easyjet trying some inbound flying from European bases to SOU. Enough that it might act as a deterrent to people living in Southampton/Portsmouth and thinking of using BOH instead of LGW. Thus keeping business in EasyJet.

However, EasyJet do seem to serve two different markets between SOU & BOH if you take GVA as the example, so perhaps the catchments are less overlapping than we thought?
The BOH and SOU Geneva flights are both basically Ski flights - Winter season only, local demand is high.
I was at first surprised that BOH joined in with SOU but that shows that EZY had a clear market away from both it's LGW and BRS Ski flights,
coupled that with not just weekend flights scheduled, but also some mid-weeks were added too.
The local areas in BOH and SOU are both endowed with well-healed clientele who like to go to Ski.

BACF also operated this past winter the weekend Ski flights to Salzburg and Chambery (2) from SOU and Crystal and Inghams Ski taking allocations, so they sell well and seem to be back on sale for next winter.

TUI fly EXT to Chambery for Crystal Ski.
EZY and TUI go from BRS and serve various Ski destinations which is still in the BOH and EXT 'catchment' areas.
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 14:46
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I think the Ski market is something that needs to be looked at again from BOH after covid for the winter months

Inghams used to have a whole plane charter using Lauda Air B738 for many seasons to INN

Crystal used to have TUI charters to Turin and Chambery using various carriers over the years

Easy jet also marketed Grenoble from BOH many years ago as well as there popular Geneva route

Itís something that Ryanair donít seem interested in doing from many UK airports , could be the ď chew ď of getting bags and skis off quickly at airports which could impact their 25 min turnaround time ?
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 15:04
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There is a big market on the south coast for ski flights as EZY added SOU to GVA several years back in addition to the well served BOH route and has steadily increased in frequency. BOH was always 5/6 weekly and SOU started with 2 weekly. Now however they are both serving 5 weekly departures so the demand is clearly there with SOU growing in numbers year on year
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Old 9th Apr 2023, 15:14
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EZY and TUI go from BRS and serve various Ski destinations which is still in the BOH and EXT 'catchment' areas.
Do Jet2 do Ski flights from BRS?
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Old 10th Apr 2023, 05:06
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Do Jet2 do Ski flights from BRS?
Yes they do, apologies - I had forgotten about them -
Jet2.com operated to THREE ski destinations from Bristol Airport this and next winter including brand-new routes to Chambery, Innsbruck and Salzburg.
They also offered carriage of Skis for just a £1 promotion.

Jet2.com operates skiflights to seven destinations next winter from it's various UK bases to - Chambery, Geneva, Grenoble, Salzburg, Innsbruck, Lyon and Turin.
Some Jet2 flights are Ski charters for Inghams.

There was also an Austrian Airways Ski charter at BRS - I think to INN

Re MarkyD's comments about Ryanair - yes I agree - they have not tapped the Ski market in a big way but they do have a 'Ski' webpage
Ryanair ski holidays


TUI still fly for Crystal with Ski charters to Chambery, but only from EXT now - I assume BOH was dropped due to EZY's presence.
(Lots of TUI Ski from BRS though)
(The BOH based TUI 737 certainly had available slots to have flown a quick CMF round trip this past winter)

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Old 12th Apr 2023, 10:44
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Runway

Is the runway grooved at BOH?

For landings on '08' it is quite a short run at just 1,838m especially for a widebody. Would expect a grooved runway to provide a more operationally sound landing when wet.

Is there scope for the runway to be further extended within its own boundary to match the length of NCL airport? It seems cargo could benefit from a longer runway length for outbound payload.
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Old 12th Apr 2023, 17:20
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Originally Posted by rog747

There was also an Austrian Airways Ski charter at BRS - I think to INN
OS no longer operate any charters at BRS
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 11:14
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
Is the runway grooved at BOH?

For landings on '08' it is quite a short run at just 1,838m especially for a widebody. Would expect a grooved runway to provide a more operationally sound landing when wet.

Is there scope for the runway to be further extended within its own boundary to match the length of NCL airport? It seems cargo could benefit from a longer runway length for outbound payload.
If you look at google earth,there is already a concrete over run of some 300ft,which would match the NCL runway
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 11:23
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
Is the runway grooved at BOH?

For landings on '08' it is quite a short run at just 1,838m especially for a widebody. Would expect a grooved runway to provide a more operationally sound landing when wet.

Is there scope for the runway to be further extended within its own boundary to match the length of NCL airport? It seems cargo could benefit from a longer runway length for outbound payload.

Shamrock

Have just looked at google earth and there is already an overrun of some 300ft at the 26 end,which would make the runway longer than NCL,there is also scope for further extending the runway to some 8000ft before the moors river is located,this could easily be re-routed to go well beyond 8000 ft,if there was a need to.Perhaps as the airport owners are the rigby construction group this could be easily done.
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 11:27
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Why on earth would they want to extend the runway again. Already more than enough length for a LCC and the odd cargo flight that I don't see increasing in business any time soon!
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 11:43
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the odd cargo flight that I don't see increasing in business any time soon!
Have you seen the investment in cargo facilities? And why the somewhat random comparison with Newcastle?
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 12:08
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Runway length has never been an issue for BOH, TUI cruise flights using the 787 along with a hefty A340 cargo op during covid are testament to that. The Rigby crowd would be better off spending money on improving the infrastructure, terminal size, car parking and good travel links, than diverting a river.
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There was an issue with the length when European ran 747s.
One taking off on 08 had it's wheels in the grass at the eastern end as it got airborne. I believe some lights were damaged.
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 12:27
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
Runway length has never been an issue for BOH, TUI cruise flights using the 787 along with a hefty A340 cargo op during covid are testament to that. The Rigby crowd would be better off spending money on improving the infrastructure, terminal size, car parking and good travel links, than diverting a river.
Totally agree.
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 12:34
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Have you seen the investment in cargo facilities? And why the somewhat random comparison with Newcastle?
Yes and Iím still to be convinced it will ever demand enough cargo ops
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Old 13th Apr 2023, 12:44
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
Runway length has never been an issue for BOH, TUI cruise flights using the 787 along with a hefty A340 cargo op during covid are testament to that. The Rigby crowd would be better off spending money on improving the infrastructure, terminal size, car parking and good travel links, than diverting a river.
I totally agree. A junction off the A338 running adjacent to the airport would be ideal. This would enable a quicker arrival & onward journey to and from the airport. Would additionally provide an easy divert for National Express coaches allowing direct routes to Southampton, London & Bournemouth train station.
The terminals certainly could do with further investments to enable a more comfortable and pleasurable experience. A runway extension certainly isnít required.
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Old 14th Apr 2023, 19:56
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Originally Posted by dixi188
There was an issue with the length when European ran 747s.
One taking off on 08 had it's wheels in the grass at the eastern end as it got airborne. I believe some lights were damaged.
No, this never happened.

There is nice head on video shot from Matchams end of a European 747 departing 08 for NY using most of the runway, but I expect the crew just used what was available rather than haul it into the air at the minimum speed. No grass was harmed.
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