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FlyOne appear to be increasing their RMO-STN route slightly from mid-September from 3 to 4x weekly with a change of dates/times. Their RMO-LTN route appears to come down from daily to 3x weekly. Overall a capacity cut but an interesting shift towards STN where they compete with HiSky.
For W24/5 it remains daily to LTN and just 2x weekly STN in their booking engine. I wonder if that may change, or if this is just a temporary switch for some reason.
For W24/5 it remains daily to LTN and just 2x weekly STN in their booking engine. I wonder if that may change, or if this is just a temporary switch for some reason.
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Crossed my mind but I thought LTN had planning approval to raise it's cap to 19m? Given rolling 12 month figures are still shy of 17m I'd consider that an unlikely reason such short-term. Plus if that were the reason I suspect we'd see a few other airlines making adjustments too.
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Hi Firstly, Ek wants to be long.
Fedex flights pretty much the same as always and UPS
China Southern,China Cargo,Air Hong Kong in most days sometimes together. Turkish most days.Asiana couple a week,Cargolux 2/3 a week.Qr on behalf of Ba world cargo and also there own cargo pretty much daily.
DHL about 4 a night Normaly 3 B757 and a day stop A300/B767 + Star air i think 3 times a week.
Silkway and a few others on occasions. Probably missed something.
Regards.
Fedex flights pretty much the same as always and UPS
China Southern,China Cargo,Air Hong Kong in most days sometimes together. Turkish most days.Asiana couple a week,Cargolux 2/3 a week.Qr on behalf of Ba world cargo and also there own cargo pretty much daily.
DHL about 4 a night Normaly 3 B757 and a day stop A300/B767 + Star air i think 3 times a week.
Silkway and a few others on occasions. Probably missed something.
Regards.
I regularly follow Stansted on flightradar purely for the cargo flights.
My interest was more towards cargo schedules, hence my original question regarding the Maersk/Star Air Boeing 767s at STN.
So, as far as I am aware, Stansted has the following scheduled cargo flights operated by the following airlines.
Asiana
Cargolux
China Cargo Airlines
China Eastern Airlines
DHL
Emirates Sky Cargo (from September)
FedEx
Hong Kong Airlines Cargo
Qatar Airways Cargo
Silk Ways Airlines Cargo
Turkish Airlines Cargo
UPS
It's a very impressive list of scheduled cargo airlines at STN.
In the past, STN has also seen "scheduled cargo" flights from numerous airlines, including the following.
Aeroflot Cargo
Air France Cargo
Air Hong Kong Cargo
British Airways World Cargo
Cargologicair
Cathay Pacific Airways Cargo
Channel Express
Cygnus Air Cargo
Dragonair Cargo
Egyptair Cargo
Emery Worldwide Airlines
Etihad Cargo
Japan Airlines Cargo
KLM/Martinair Cargo
Korean Air Cargo
Lufthansa Cargo
Nippon Cargo Airlines
Singapore Airlines Cargo
(Have I missed any)
(Edited to add KLM/Martinair, Channel Express and Cygnus Air Cargo)
There are several airlines that operate large fleets of cargo aircraft worldwide and in particular to Europe that don't currently serve the UK.
Just as an example but looking at the amount of cargo traffic into the likes of Liege and Ostend in Belgium, there are a few cargo operators that could possibly include STN at some point in the future.
I appreciate the location of those two airports and the markets they both serve. I'm fully aware of the fact that most of the cargo from those two particular destinations is generally transhipped by sea to the UK. But there is always the possibility that STN might be considered by a couple of them sometime in the future.
In my opinion, they could possibly include the following airline's. All three of them have large fleets of cargo aircraft with many on order. The three airlines that I have listed fly to many destinations worldwide with dedicated cargo service, including Europe but excluding the UK.
Ethiopian Airlines Cargo
MAS Cargo
Saudia Cargo
Obviously I'm fully aware that Ethiopian serve LGW, LHR, MAN and Saudia BHX, LGW, LHR and MAN but with both airlines playing a significant and growing role in the worldwide cargo industry, surely it won't be long before one or the other will announce STN.
As an example Emirates fly to BHX, EDI, GLA, LGW, LHR, MAN, NCL, STN with a sizeable schedule and albeit generally on an A380 but it can still support dedicated cargo flights to the UK.
With the amount of extra paperwork and customs procedures due to leaving the EU plus the extra costs of transhipment from airports in the Benelux to the United Kingdom I'm surprised that STN has not attracted more dedicated cargo flights.
But in saying all of that, STN is doing rather well regarding cargo, and long may it continue.
Regards
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interesting, you have a link to the EK cargo starting in Sep ?
I can think of a few over the years that are missing who were regular visitor to STN not sure if they had a Scheduled operation or not
Volga Dneper
Heavylift
Atlas Air
Swaziland Air cargo
TNT
Titan ( Royal mail service )
Martinair cargo
British world airlines / British air ferries
Cygnus Air /Air swift
Emerald airways
According to the Stansted website
KLM , Egypt Air , Antanov airlines and Etihad still operate cargo flights to STN
https://www.stanstedairport.com/about-us/cargo/
I can think of a few over the years that are missing who were regular visitor to STN not sure if they had a Scheduled operation or not
Volga Dneper
Heavylift
Atlas Air
Swaziland Air cargo
TNT
Titan ( Royal mail service )
Martinair cargo
British world airlines / British air ferries
Cygnus Air /Air swift
Emerald airways
According to the Stansted website
KLM , Egypt Air , Antanov airlines and Etihad still operate cargo flights to STN
https://www.stanstedairport.com/about-us/cargo/
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interesting, you have a link to the EK cargo starting in Sep ?
I can think of a few over the years that are missing who were regular visitor to STN not sure if they had a Scheduled operation or not
Volga Dneper
Heavylift
Atlas Air
Swaziland Air cargo
TNT
Titan ( Royal mail service )
Martinair cargo
British world airlines / British air ferries
Cygnus Air /Air swift
Emerald airways
According to the Stansted website
KLM , Egypt Air , Antanov airlines and Etihad still operate cargo flights to STN
https://www.stanstedairport.com/about-us/cargo/
I can think of a few over the years that are missing who were regular visitor to STN not sure if they had a Scheduled operation or not
Volga Dneper
Heavylift
Atlas Air
Swaziland Air cargo
TNT
Titan ( Royal mail service )
Martinair cargo
British world airlines / British air ferries
Cygnus Air /Air swift
Emerald airways
According to the Stansted website
KLM , Egypt Air , Antanov airlines and Etihad still operate cargo flights to STN
https://www.stanstedairport.com/about-us/cargo/
KLM/Martinair discontinued STN in 2019 ish.
Egyptair left STN well over ten years ago, if not more.
Antonov Airlines doesn't operate into STN for obvious reasons.
Etihad Cargo commenced service in November 2016 and was gone within a year or so.
With regards to my list of former cargo carrier's at STN I was referring to scheduled cargo flights rather than ad-hoc.
STN over the years has always recieved many ad-hoc cargo flights. The likes of Atlas Air and Swaziland Air Cargo we're ad-hoc cargo flights rather than full scheduled. Neither offered flights into STN on a regular scheduled basis.
Cygnus Air Cargo on the other hand I believe operated at STN on a scheduled basis.
Four other airlines I just thought of that previously operated "scheduled" cargo flights into STN are.
Astral Aviation Cargo
Channel Express
MK Airlines
Panalpina
Although a previous post up thread had already mentioned Channel Express.
Edit....Regarding Emirates Sky Cargo starting STN in September. It has been widely discussed in this thread and elsewhere on pprune. It's also easily searchable online. The Emirates Sky Cargo flights that previously operated to LHR and in recent weeks at BHX and MAN are relocating to STN in September. Emirates Sky Cargo will start DWC-STN 2 x weekly in September with a B77F.
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I wouldn't expect STN to gain a significant growth of pure-cargo traffic well into the future. There's a bit of an uplift now while passenger growth is constrained due to Terminal capacity.
The airport has planning approval to increase to 43mppa within a 270k aircraft movement limit. They're currently doing about 29mppa with approx. 200k movements. On basic workings, that means 145 pax per movement (I know that's not entirely accurate because cargo and GA are included in that 200k total). The future 43mppa though on the same logic works out at 160 pax per movement. Yes some of that will be achieved by aircraft upguages to 321neos and MAX10's, but it won't allow any significant increase in cargo or GA ops, rather the contrary.
Longer term the pure cargo traffic will be priced out and likely go to locations such as EMA. Of course STN may also be using it as a tool now to incentive long-haul passenger traffic in the future, demonstrating there's also a significant belly-cargo potential should they do that.
Emirates for instance when they started passenger ops in 2018 I believe we're sold very heavily on not only the passenger demand from NE London and the 'London-Stansted-Cambridge' corridor, but also the cargo demand, which their 777's also are better suited for than the A380.
The airport has planning approval to increase to 43mppa within a 270k aircraft movement limit. They're currently doing about 29mppa with approx. 200k movements. On basic workings, that means 145 pax per movement (I know that's not entirely accurate because cargo and GA are included in that 200k total). The future 43mppa though on the same logic works out at 160 pax per movement. Yes some of that will be achieved by aircraft upguages to 321neos and MAX10's, but it won't allow any significant increase in cargo or GA ops, rather the contrary.
Longer term the pure cargo traffic will be priced out and likely go to locations such as EMA. Of course STN may also be using it as a tool now to incentive long-haul passenger traffic in the future, demonstrating there's also a significant belly-cargo potential should they do that.
Emirates for instance when they started passenger ops in 2018 I believe we're sold very heavily on not only the passenger demand from NE London and the 'London-Stansted-Cambridge' corridor, but also the cargo demand, which their 777's also are better suited for than the A380.
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Some of the operators mentioned operated schedules on behalf of British Airways World Cargo, these freighters had operated at Gatwick but moved to Stansted as the Gatwick passenger operation increased - "the Hub without the Hubbard." This was initially an Atlas Air 747-200F and DC-8s operated by Cargo Lion and MK Cargo, then dedicated 747-400F N495MC which was painted in Chelsea Rose, and expanded into Global Supply Systems than back to BA World Cargo with the 747-8F, now BA cargo is flown by Qatar Airways.
Likewise I think Martinairs MD-11 flights flew on behalf of Tampa Cargo out of South America and Miami with flowers and fresh produce back in the 1990's.
amc737
Likewise I think Martinairs MD-11 flights flew on behalf of Tampa Cargo out of South America and Miami with flowers and fresh produce back in the 1990's.
amc737
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Some of the operators mentioned operated schedules on behalf of British Airways World Cargo, these freighters had operated at Gatwick but moved to Stansted as the Gatwick passenger operation increased - "the Hub without the Hubbard." This was initially an Atlas Air 747-200F and DC-8s operated by Cargo Lion and MK Cargo, then dedicated 747-400F N495MC which was painted in Chelsea Rose, and expanded into Global Supply Systems than back to BA World Cargo with the 747-8F, now BA cargo is flown by Qatar Airways.
Likewise I think Martinairs MD-11 flights flew on behalf of Tampa Cargo out of South America and Miami with flowers and fresh produce back in the 1990's.
amc737
Likewise I think Martinairs MD-11 flights flew on behalf of Tampa Cargo out of South America and Miami with flowers and fresh produce back in the 1990's.
amc737
STN has always had quite a nice and diverse mix of both short and long haul cargo carriers, and there's no question that the airport will continue to play a pivotal role on the cargo side. On the passenger side though, can- and will STN ever succeed in gaining any more long haul beyond the Emirates 777 service? Granted, the terminal is currently constrained, although hopefully the revised transformation project should help to alleviate this and free up additional passenger handling capacity; are there any newer updates on the STN-TP? (It feels like it's been a very long time since we last heard anything about the project).
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With Emirates soon to become the latest A350 operator, I wonder if they'll plan to send it to STN in place of the 77W? The A350-900 has been phenomenal for many airlines in allowing them to serve new, 'thinner' long haul routes, and it is also highly popular amongst passengers. LHR will always be predominantly A380s for them (although they have been using a 77W on one of the rotations lately). LGW will largely be the same (A380s), so I wonder if the A350 could be ideal for Stansted?
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With Emirates soon to become the latest A350 operator, I wonder if they'll plan to send it to STN in place of the 77W? The A350-900 has been phenomenal for many airlines in allowing them to serve new, 'thinner' long haul routes, and it is also highly popular amongst passengers. LHR will always be predominantly A380s for them (although they have been using a 77W on one of the rotations lately). LGW will largely be the same (A380s), so I wonder if the A350 could be ideal for Stansted?
I also wouldn't describe Stansted as a "thinner route" in the traditional sense for them. Yes it plays third fiddle to LHR and LGW but it serves perhaps one of the most lucrative markets in their network, which largely explains why they do have the First Class product at Stansted. Personally I could see the 777X fleet being a more likely future replacement at Stansted.
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The Emirates A350 does have 32 next gen business class seats along with 21 Premium Economy.
Could sit nicely into a x3 daily operation.
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Very distinct future at moment with all 777X test aircraft being grounded again after another failure. This time a key engine mounting structure.
The Emirates A350 does have 32 next gen business class seats along with 21 Premium Economy.
Could sit nicely into a x3 daily operation.
The Emirates A350 does have 32 next gen business class seats along with 21 Premium Economy.
Could sit nicely into a x3 daily operation.
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I would think unlikely. The A350 would be a capacity cut from the 777 first and foremost, and that's not likely given the shortage of LHR and LGW capacity which they already have pretty much maxed out on A380s (the 777 LHR flight is the additional 7th daily service they added, I think from this summer). The A350's also don't have First Class, though they do have Premium Economy which I'm sure we'll see on Stansted services in future, though the 777s are being retrofitted with Premium Economy anyway.
I also wouldn't describe Stansted as a "thinner route" in the traditional sense for them. Yes it plays third fiddle to LHR and LGW but it serves perhaps one of the most lucrative markets in their network, which largely explains why they do have the First Class product at Stansted. Personally I could see the 777X fleet being a more likely future replacement at Stansted.
I also wouldn't describe Stansted as a "thinner route" in the traditional sense for them. Yes it plays third fiddle to LHR and LGW but it serves perhaps one of the most lucrative markets in their network, which largely explains why they do have the First Class product at Stansted. Personally I could see the 777X fleet being a more likely future replacement at Stansted.
On the topic of the 77W, does Emirates still use their 77Ws with their newest First, Business and Economy class at Stansted? This was the case when the route originally launched, then again when it returned in 2022. However, there was a period towards the second half of last year where aircraft allocation was changed and they stopped sending their newest 777-300ERs to STN. Is this still the case now?
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The key thing with the two existing daily rotations is the hub banks in DXB. Most of the Europe arrivals that get into DXB around midnight and early morning (especially the first flight) are timed to connect onto Asia/Australasia routes. A morning rotation in the UK has always been less popular for this. So whilst it's possible it doesn't serve the connections so well.
In fact Emirates have wanted to put the A380 into STN on one of the daily rotations, they even put slots in for S24 as a placeholder but there are capacity constraints locally at STN to really achieve it.
In fact Emirates have wanted to put the A380 into STN on one of the daily rotations, they even put slots in for S24 as a placeholder but there are capacity constraints locally at STN to really achieve it.
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