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With Stansted full runway closure Sunday & Monday very early mornings 01:15 - 05:45 for 5 weeks in November & December, what shedules are likely to be affected?
Late running Ryanair likely to go to Luton as they have done before.....DHL,...
Late running Ryanair likely to go to Luton as they have done before.....DHL,...
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JW95
My good friend JW95, I honestly can't believe that you still have such faith in Flypop 😃
Flypop has popped. There's no way this virtual airline will ever be gracing the apron at STN anytime soon. Flypop can be added to the list of other similar start-ups that planned to fly from the UK to India. I think that Global Airlines has more chance than the likes of Flypop, and that is really saying something.
But nonetheless, I always enjoy reading your contributions to the LGW and STN threads, which, of course, are both very personal to our good selves 👍
My good friend JW95, I honestly can't believe that you still have such faith in Flypop 😃
Flypop has popped. There's no way this virtual airline will ever be gracing the apron at STN anytime soon. Flypop can be added to the list of other similar start-ups that planned to fly from the UK to India. I think that Global Airlines has more chance than the likes of Flypop, and that is really saying something.
But nonetheless, I always enjoy reading your contributions to the LGW and STN threads, which, of course, are both very personal to our good selves 👍
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Do you honestly think that Riyadh Air would choose STN over LGW or LHR as their initial choice of London airport?
I don't hence why I deliberately didnt mention them in the list of potential international airlines that could possibly be seen at STN within the next few years.
I'm not saying that Riyadh Air won't be at STN at some point but definitely not "within the next few years". More like 10 years as I'm certain that Riyadh Air will be operating to LGW and LHR for many years before STN would be considered.
Riyadh Air are to announce their initial destinations shortly with London being one of their first. It will be interesting what London airport they will announce but again I'm certain that it won't be STN.
Another possible international airline at STN that I had overlooked was MIAT Airlines from Ulaanbaatar.
I don't hence why I deliberately didnt mention them in the list of potential international airlines that could possibly be seen at STN within the next few years.
I'm not saying that Riyadh Air won't be at STN at some point but definitely not "within the next few years". More like 10 years as I'm certain that Riyadh Air will be operating to LGW and LHR for many years before STN would be considered.
Riyadh Air are to announce their initial destinations shortly with London being one of their first. It will be interesting what London airport they will announce but again I'm certain that it won't be STN.
Another possible international airline at STN that I had overlooked was MIAT Airlines from Ulaanbaatar.
They seem to be happy running x1 week to various destinations using 321LRs so maybe London might be on the cards next year. Their web site fully works with English which is a good sign.
They quote themselves as a cargo airline as well so the A330 can take belly freight from Tashkent which might have come from China as well to supplement revenue.
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Do you honestly think that Riyadh Air would choose STN over LGW or LHR as their initial choice of London airport?
I don't hence why I deliberately didnt mention them in the list of potential international airlines that could possibly be seen at STN within the next few years.
I'm not saying that Riyadh Air won't be at STN at some point but definitely not "within the next few years". More like 10 years as I'm certain that Riyadh Air will be operating to LGW and LHR for many years before STN would be considered.
Riyadh Air are to announce their initial destinations shortly with London being one of their first. It will be interesting what London airport they will announce but again I'm certain that it won't be STN.
Another possible international airline at STN that I had overlooked was MIAT Airlines from Ulaanbaatar.
I don't hence why I deliberately didnt mention them in the list of potential international airlines that could possibly be seen at STN within the next few years.
I'm not saying that Riyadh Air won't be at STN at some point but definitely not "within the next few years". More like 10 years as I'm certain that Riyadh Air will be operating to LGW and LHR for many years before STN would be considered.
Riyadh Air are to announce their initial destinations shortly with London being one of their first. It will be interesting what London airport they will announce but again I'm certain that it won't be STN.
Another possible international airline at STN that I had overlooked was MIAT Airlines from Ulaanbaatar.
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Do you honestly think that Riyadh Air would choose STN over LGW or LHR as their initial choice of London airport?
I don't hence why I deliberately didnt mention them in the list of potential international airlines that could possibly be seen at STN within the next few years.
I'm not saying that Riyadh Air won't be at STN at some point but definitely not "within the next few years". More like 10 years as I'm certain that Riyadh Air will be operating to LGW and LHR for many years before STN would be considered.
Riyadh Air are to announce their initial destinations shortly with London being one of their first. It will be interesting what London airport they will announce but again I'm certain that it won't be STN.
Another possible international airline at STN that I had overlooked was MIAT Airlines from Ulaanbaatar.
I don't hence why I deliberately didnt mention them in the list of potential international airlines that could possibly be seen at STN within the next few years.
I'm not saying that Riyadh Air won't be at STN at some point but definitely not "within the next few years". More like 10 years as I'm certain that Riyadh Air will be operating to LGW and LHR for many years before STN would be considered.
Riyadh Air are to announce their initial destinations shortly with London being one of their first. It will be interesting what London airport they will announce but again I'm certain that it won't be STN.
Another possible international airline at STN that I had overlooked was MIAT Airlines from Ulaanbaatar.
I expect the two daily Saudia flights from Heathrow to simply be transferred to the new carrier in the first instance.
A third carrier is also being planned for leisure markets operating out of Neom and Red Sea international airports.Currently one/two Saudia flights a week serves Neom from Heathrow enroute Jeddah and as demand increases that would be transferred to the new airline - Now I would also expect that carrier to use the Gatwick slots in time.
Beyond London, Edinburgh will see Saudia at some point and Manchester has an additional Saturday rotation already. Birmingham will certainly go daily soon.
When talking of Saudi I wouldn’t be surprised to see Flynas try again especially against the proposed Wizz flights at some point . Flynas “might” be a target for MAG Group with a right deals
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JW95
My good friend JW95, I honestly can't believe that you still have such faith in Flypop 😃
Flypop has popped. There's no way this virtual airline will ever be gracing the apron at STN anytime soon. Flypop can be added to the list of other similar start-ups that planned to fly from the UK to India. I think that Global Airlines has more chance than the likes of Flypop, and that is really saying something.
But nonetheless, I always enjoy reading your contributions to the LGW and STN threads, which, of course, are both very personal to our good selves 👍
My good friend JW95, I honestly can't believe that you still have such faith in Flypop 😃
Flypop has popped. There's no way this virtual airline will ever be gracing the apron at STN anytime soon. Flypop can be added to the list of other similar start-ups that planned to fly from the UK to India. I think that Global Airlines has more chance than the likes of Flypop, and that is really saying something.
But nonetheless, I always enjoy reading your contributions to the LGW and STN threads, which, of course, are both very personal to our good selves 👍
I think you're right, as you say, I think Flypop have definitely 'popped' and I'm sure MAG are looking past that now for other carriers who have a greater chance of actually getting off the ground, as well as more established airlines. I also can't see Global lifting off with A380s, but hey, I could be wrong. Time will tell I notice that SAS was mentioned. As was previously flagged up, they are no stranger to Stansted, having tried services from here on a number of occasions, the most recent of these attempts being in 2019. Sadly Covid saw the route to CPH cease, which I think was a shame, as they provided a good alternative to FR, as well as opening up long haul (as well as short haul) connections via Copenhagen. It would be nice to see them return, but I'm now doubtful if they have shifted focus and are looking at LGW to supplement their LHR services.
Another good feeder for STN could be Lufthansa, who have also previously flown from STN to both MUC and FRA. IIRC, they flew to Munich seasonally last year, shame that it didn't continue, as I remember it being extended beyond the initially planned period. Re. FRA- Ryanair gave up Frankfurt when they closed their base there 2 years ago and retrenched to Hahn, which is of course nowhere near Frankfurt. I did wonder whether LH would consider re-launching this route, but then they also struggled making LGW work for the second time, and stopped it, and that attempt lasted even less than the first, so on that basis, if LGW couldn't work for them, then I'm even more doubtful STN would.
I also don't see Air India returning to STN, now that they've opened LGW, and it seems to be working for them, as they've moved several routes down from LHR.
In a way, it is a shame that STN hasn't enjoyed as much success in attracting new airlines to the airport in the same way LGW has. Yes, granted, the variety of carriers here has improved since the airport was sold from BAA in 2013, and I recognise that STN's catchment area and market is different to that of LGW, but it would be nice to see the airline portfolio here broaden, particularly with LGW also filling up and the introduction of more long haul routes, besides the existing Emirates service to DXB.
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on that note I have seen Enzis Air have in the last ACL slot request for S24, request Stansted - Ulaanbatar with their A330, alas nothing came of it though, would def be a good option for 2 x p/w with no other carrier on the route from the UK, but yea MIAT would be better
I think that STN has a better chance of seeing MIAT start a service from Ulaanbatar than the likes of Enzis Air, hence my original comments.
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The business model of Riyadh Air is to take over all international long haul flights from the capital with Saudia becoming the prime carrier at Jeddah . Both will be tasked with differing target markets and won’t be competitors in the western “free market “ sense at all.
I expect the two daily Saudia flights from Heathrow to simply be transferred to the new carrier in the first instance.
A third carrier is also being planned for leisure markets operating out of Neom and Red Sea international airports.Currently one/two Saudia flights a week serves Neom from Heathrow enroute Jeddah and as demand increases that would be transferred to the new airline - Now I would also expect that carrier to use the Gatwick slots in time.
Beyond London, Edinburgh will see Saudia at some point and Manchester has an additional Saturday rotation already. Birmingham will certainly go daily soon.
When talking of Saudi I wouldn’t be surprised to see Flynas try again especially against the proposed Wizz flights at some point . Flynas “might” be a target for MAG Group with a right deals
I expect the two daily Saudia flights from Heathrow to simply be transferred to the new carrier in the first instance.
A third carrier is also being planned for leisure markets operating out of Neom and Red Sea international airports.Currently one/two Saudia flights a week serves Neom from Heathrow enroute Jeddah and as demand increases that would be transferred to the new airline - Now I would also expect that carrier to use the Gatwick slots in time.
Beyond London, Edinburgh will see Saudia at some point and Manchester has an additional Saturday rotation already. Birmingham will certainly go daily soon.
When talking of Saudi I wouldn’t be surprised to see Flynas try again especially against the proposed Wizz flights at some point . Flynas “might” be a target for MAG Group with a right deals
Regarding Flynas.
I mentioned Flynas in my previous post #1396.
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JW95
It was actually the third attempt at LGW for Lufthansa, not the second.
Regarding catchment areas, they are a bit of a fallacy at times. STN, for example, is exactly 123 miles from my drive and is doable in under 2 hours.
I've used STN on well over 100 occasions. When Ryanair we're offering their £1 flights during the late 1990s and early to mid 2000s I was using STN at some point upto three times a week. I'm so pleased that I took the opportunity back then to visit destinations on the Ryanair network that I had previously been totally unaware of.
Although for me LHR will always be my preferred choice as it's just under an hour away by car from Southampton.
But for nostalgia reasons LGW and STN are and will always be my two firm favourite airports in the UK.
It was actually the third attempt at LGW for Lufthansa, not the second.
Regarding catchment areas, they are a bit of a fallacy at times. STN, for example, is exactly 123 miles from my drive and is doable in under 2 hours.
I've used STN on well over 100 occasions. When Ryanair we're offering their £1 flights during the late 1990s and early to mid 2000s I was using STN at some point upto three times a week. I'm so pleased that I took the opportunity back then to visit destinations on the Ryanair network that I had previously been totally unaware of.
Although for me LHR will always be my preferred choice as it's just under an hour away by car from Southampton.
But for nostalgia reasons LGW and STN are and will always be my two firm favourite airports in the UK.
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With Emirates returning soon and Qatar expanding, not sure Saudia have room as there's very little point to point between Edinburgh and Saudi Arabia, more so from Glasgow IMHO. If Etihad announce EDI next month I'd take it off the table for sure. That being said, if money's no object and it's a political scheme, like Qatar started off as (as did BOAC, not having a go), then who knows.
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With Emirates returning soon and Qatar expanding, not sure Saudia have room as there's very little point to point between Edinburgh and Saudi Arabia, more so from Glasgow IMHO.
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£1.1bn investment announced by the Government, which is the terminal expansion, taxiway upgrades and solar farm. Obviously we’ve seen these plans already but this would give more certainty. Development commences next year with phased completion by 2028.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1...d-by-ministers
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/1...d-by-ministers
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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NEW: PM at investment summit announces a £1bn deal with Manchester Airport Group to expand Stansted.
PM says it open up new routes for work and holiday destinations Starmer says deal the “first of tens of billions worth of inward investment deals that we will sign today, because we're determined to lead the way on growth”
PM says it open up new routes for work and holiday destinations Starmer says deal the “first of tens of billions worth of inward investment deals that we will sign today, because we're determined to lead the way on growth”
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London Stansted unveils £1.1bn investment programme as it embarks on ‘exciting new chapter’
Key points…
- Enlarged security hall and installation of next generation security equipment
- 14.3MW on-site solar farm to supply current and future energy needs
- New and additional terminal and gate area seating
- New wayfinding kiosks across the terminal
- Gate room reconfiguration to create more space for passengers pre-boarding their aircraft
- Flooring and seating upgrades across satellite two plus new bar area
- Refurbishment of terminal toilet facilities
- Airfield taxiway upgrade
Key points…
- Enlarged security hall and installation of next generation security equipment
- 14.3MW on-site solar farm to supply current and future energy needs
- New and additional terminal and gate area seating
- New wayfinding kiosks across the terminal
- Gate room reconfiguration to create more space for passengers pre-boarding their aircraft
- Flooring and seating upgrades across satellite two plus new bar area
- Refurbishment of terminal toilet facilities
- Airfield taxiway upgrade
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Just looks like true politics, wasn't it the previous Government which approved the Airport expansion thus they should really get the credit along with MAG in the investment?
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installation of next generation security equipment
Airfield taxiway upgrade