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Old 4th September 2024 | 16:58
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I tried the Cross Country train from Birmingham to Stansted before COVID, it was a horrific experience, never again. A 2 carriage train with only tiny luggage spaces, standing room only most of the way. And so slow as it meandered round the East Midlands.

I remember seeing quite a few passengers with suitcases (possibly STN bound) from Stamford onwards but I don't think the availability of this service will see any increase in Wes Mids based travellers to fly from Stansted. But I do think rail is competitive against road from Peterborough onwards travelling to Stansted.

I think if STN wants to attract more passengers to travel by rail it should talk to the train companies about a half hourly dedicated STN - Peterborough airport service which would be same platform interchange at Cambridge for any Midlands bound people plus then offering a more regular Cambridge - Peterborough service for passengers who want to connect to northbound trains at Peterborough.
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I tried the Cross Country train from Birmingham to Stansted before COVID, it was a horrific experience, never again. A 2 carriage train with only tiny luggage spaces, standing room only most of the way. And so slow as it meandered round the East Midlands.

I remember seeing quite a few passengers with suitcases (possibly STN bound) from Stamford onwards but I don't think the availability of this service will see any increase in Wes Mids based travellers to fly from Stansted. But I do think rail is competitive against road from Peterborough onwards travelling to Stansted.

I think if STN wants to attract more passengers to travel by rail it should talk to the train companies about a half hourly dedicated STN - Peterborough airport service which would be same platform interchange at Cambridge for any Midlands bound people plus then offering a more regular Cambridge - Peterborough service for passengers who want to connect to northbound trains at Peterborough.
They do have 3 car trains as well which are also often full, it doesnt help that the 2 and 3 cars are worked interchangeably. The platform that XC use is the short one that cant take anything much bigger.

The hourly Greater Anglia Norwich train is a 3 or 4 carriage and has to share with the Stansted Express - this also has far too little luggage space but does call at Cambridge & Ely for connections north. It doesnt operate every hour though. There has been talk of it going every 30 mins which if they filled in the gaps as well would be a huge improvement.

Overall agree with you it's not very good rail wise if you don't want to go to London.
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Overall agree with you it's not very good rail wise if you don't want to go to London.
That's the rail experience of the whole of the UK, not just Stansted!
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Old 4th September 2024 | 23:20
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CrossCountry going back to an hourly service will be a vast improvement, the sooner the better. They also have a fleet refurbishment plan including the Stansted Class 170 fleet. I agree is has little value much beyond Peterborough but is a valuable link up till then.

Stansted to Peterborough at half-hourly isn't currently achievable due to platform capacity at Stansted and bottlenecks in and around Ely. None of that will change probably for at least the next decade.

With regards to Greater Anglia from Norwich, these are replaced by additional Ely - London Liverpool St runs at peak times. The Stansted extension south of Cambridge on the hourly Norwich - Cambridge runs unfortunately can't co-exist with the additional Ely trains running south.

There is talk of Norwich - Cambridge going half hourly but that again couldn't go all the way to Stansted. The single track tunnel beneath the Stansted runway according to GA allows only six trains each in and out per hour, which is already being hit (4 StanEx, 1 GA and 1 XC).

I personally would rather the hourly Norwich - Cambridge be extended to Stansted Airport all-day in place of the extra Ely - Liverpool St runs, given commuter traffic is below 2019 levels whilst airport passengers are exceeding. Plus Stansted Express and the newer Class 720's on commuter routes provide plentiful peak time capacity along the West Anglia line and provide more seats compared to the older trains they replaced.
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Old 7th September 2024 | 10:41
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Royal Jordanian adding 787-8

so as per Aeroroutes website appears RJ are upping their STN capacity over some winter periods with the addition of 787-8, will be another welcome widebody addition to the airport

Planned 787-8 operation as follows.

31OCT24 – 12DEC24 Day 4
12JAN25 – 02FEB25 Day 7
06FEB25 – 16MAR25 Day 47

RJ113 AMM1050 – 1335STN EQV x136
RJ114 STN1445 – 2250AMM EQV x136

The oneWorld member also schedules extra flight on 04JAN25 as RJ5113/5114, with Airbus A320 aircraft.

wonder if their J class pax too will be using the new EK lounge?

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240907-rjnw24stn

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Just out of curiosity but is it normal for other airlines first and business class passengers to have full use of Emirates airport lounges 🤔

I personally can't see why Royal Jordanians J class passengers will be able to use it at STN but correct me if I'm wrong.

But great news nonetheless regarding the increase in flights at STN by Royal Jordanian especially with the appearance of the B787. This was a route that I honestly didn't think would last long but it's obviously been a success since it's launch. The same can be said about their MAN operations.
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Yes quite common, remember Oman air using the EK Lounge in T3 when they operated from there, some carriers use the gulf air lounge in LHR T4 etc, airlines often do it for ancillary revenue, providing it doesn’t impact so much on their pax
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Originally Posted by Paulesx
Yes quite common, remember Oman air using the EK Lounge in T3 when they operated from there, some carriers use the gulf air lounge in LHR T4 etc, airlines often do it for ancillary revenue, providing it doesn’t impact so much on their pax
Thanks for that, it makes sense.

I was under the impression that Emirates lounges were purely for Emirates passengers and their code share partners first and business class passengers.

I can see the reasons for the extra ancillary revenue and it's not a huge amount of passenger's at the end of the day especially involving the STN Emirates lounge.

Hopefully someone will post a review of the STN Emirates lounge at some point either on here or via a YouTube video.

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EK STN Lounge

Some more Info the EK STN for those who were asking

https://gulfnews.com/business/aviation/emirates-unveils-its-new-lounge-at-london-stansted-airport-1.1726744941622


https://simpleflying.com/new-emirates-lounge-london-stansted-airport/



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Look nice. Agree it is reasonably unusual for other carriers passengers to use EK lounges.
Plus 125 seats will be quickly filled with EK premium and hangar-on passengers.
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...nsted-airport/
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Old 27th September 2024 | 11:14
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As I reported on Luton thread about travel disruption to Airport via trains over Christmas/ New Year period, it appears problems for Stansted Express users during same period due to closure of Liverpool Street Station.
https://www.travelgossip.co.uk/lates...ver-christmas/
Almost glad I'm using Gatwick this year!
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New Rotterdam to Stansted flights for S25

Look like Transavia will be operating to STN for S25 from Rotterdam

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/a...n-stansted/amp

Shame they couldn’t look at a Paris service to for transavia France , seeing as there is still no connection from Stansted to paris.

on that note, Air France CDG or KLM AMS would really open up so many connection opportunities, as would a TK option via IST, seems so strange none of them have opted for these.
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Old 9th October 2024 | 17:53
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Look like Transavia will be operating to STN for S25 from Rotterdam

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/a...n-stansted/amp

Shame they couldn’t look at a Paris service to for transavia France , seeing as there is still no connection from Stansted to paris.

on that note, Air France CDG or KLM AMS would really open up so many connection opportunities, as would a TK option via IST, seems so strange none of them have opted for these.
I don't think even Ryanair do Paris from Stansted.
Luton used to have a route to Orly pre-covid but Eurostar has killed the return of that.
CDG & AMS have slot constraints, CDG doesn't even work from LCY so I can't see STN being entertained.
If you want to go via a SkyTeam member, your best bet is SAS starting to Copenhagen.
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This would be a return to STN for Transavia as they previously served RTM about 18 years ago.

I agree with the previous comments regarding Transavia and a link from STN to Paris. I also agree with the previous comments regarding SAS possibly resuming CPH rather than fellow Sky Team members Air France or KLM resuming STN from their respective hubs.

But nonetheless it's great to see another airline at STN and hopefully we're see some more announcements regarding new airlines in the coming months.
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Good to see Transavia back after such a long gap, hopefully it proves popular. Also good to see some larger, more reputable carriers in the mix at STN with Sun Express and Royal Jordanian joining in the past year, as opposed to much smaller outfits like Air Albania and Air Moldova seen previously.

ORY is still one I could see working for Transavia at the right timings/frequency. The Eurostar is undoubtedly a major factor, but it isn't a show-stopper for a potential Paris route to work. Given LHR, LGW and LTN can sustain regular Paris routes, I don't see why STN couldn't. In fact, given LTN and LGW's catchment have slightly better rail connectivity to St Pancras compared to the East-end and Essex, a STN route would be quite an attractive offer to those areas. EZY did operate STN-CDG in 2019 up to 6x weekly but was a bit of a half-hearted effort given their general lack of interest in STN, but that could still be theorectically possible with EJU operated frames.

KLM Amsterdam isn't totally out of the question but I think unlikely for the forseeable, given slot constraints. They'd also have to be confident it wouldn't dilute LCY and NWI loads, plus European hub connectivity from STN generally won't be as attractive to the higher yielding traffic that uses LCY and LHR. They'd also likely need an ability to night-stop to meet hub waves in AMS, which STN would struggle to accommodate at the moment. Could certaintly see them a better fit for STN over LGW however if they did ever venture to a third London airport, given EasyJet's fairly limited frequency compared to LGW for the point-to-point traffic.

SAS operated CPH in 2019 after disposing one of their LHR slots, but never returned after Covid. They've already announced an array of new routes for S25 and their strategic focus has shifted since then. Last few slot reports have indicated they've requested LGW slots over STN.

Vueling Barcelona 2x daily I could see a future possibility, especially if the LHR slots they've been operating this summer transfer to BA.

Eurowings I'd love to see come back given Ryanair's retrenching in Germany and given the vast German network STN used to support under Germanwings/Air Berlin - but I can't see that happening with the fairly sizeable LHR operation they now have.

Turkish mainline and Qatar I think are only a matter of time but it will only be when they can't get additional slots or upguage airframes in LHR and LGW. Qatar especially have managed to secure extra LHR slots from TAROM and are now exceeding Emirates frequency at LHR, which given their OneWorld partnership is a major win for them.

Others I could see are Biman Bangladesh. I can see them getting priced out of LHR and relocating to STN which serves the Bangladeshi community in East London just as well for what's a heavily point-to-point route. MAG will almost certainly be targeting that. The current Cyprus Airways should also be a target, there's a long-standing history on that route and they currently don't serve London. One of the issues I see with that currently is any potential onward connectivity from Cyprus to the Middle-East being hampred by the political events there, so would likely need to attract more of a leisure based market for Cyprus - Interestingly they have LGW listed in their booking engine but no flights available.
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Your excellent post came across as something that I could have posted because I certainly agree with everything that you have stated.

I totally agree with you regarding Biman Bengladesh and a possible move to STN. I also think that if and when Pakistan International recommence flights to London that the possibility of them resuming STN as their London gateway is very high indeed.

So in saying that and between us we could possibly see the following International flag carriers serving STN at some point in the future.

Biman Bangladesh...Dhaka, Sylhet
Juneyeo Airlines...Shanghai
Pakistan International...Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore
Qatar...Doha
Turkish Airlines...Istanbul

And a real long shot but a possibility especially after remarks made by the airline's CEO in regards to their incoming fleet of A321XLRs.

Frontier Airlines...Philadelphia

Along with the existing International airline's.

Emirates...Dubai
Royal Jordanian Airlines...Amman

That could possibly be eight International airline's serving STN within the next few years.

Two other possible airline's but not as strong contenders as the six that I have listed above are.

Flynas...Damman, Jeddah
Jazeera Airways...Kuwait

And to finish I'd just like to add....I wonder which London airport Indigo will actually serve once they receive their A350s 🤔
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Your excellent post came across as something that I could have posted because I certainly agree with everything that you have stated.

I totally agree with you regarding Biman Bengladesh and a possible move to STN. I also think that if and when Pakistan International recommence flights to London that the possibility of them resuming STN as their London gateway is very high indeed.

So in saying that and between us we could possibly see the following International flag carriers serving STN at some point in the future.

Biman Bangladesh...Dhaka, Sylhet
Juneyeo Airlines...Shanghai
Pakistan International...Islamabad, Karachi, Lahore
Qatar...Doha
Turkish Airlines...Istanbul

And a real long shot but a possibility especially after remarks made by the airline's CEO in regards to their incoming fleet of A321XLRs.

Frontier Airlines...Philadelphia

Along with the existing International airline's.

Emirates...Dubai
Royal Jordanian Airlines...Amman

That could possibly be eight International airline's serving STN within the next few years.

Two other possible airline's but not as strong contenders as the six that I have listed above are.

Flynas...Damman, Jeddah
Jazeera Airways...Kuwait

And to finish I'd just like to add....I wonder which London airport Indigo will actually serve once they receive their A350s 🤔
You are missing another Saudi Airline which is yet to receive their AOC yet have big ambitions to connect the world via their base.
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You are missing another Saudi Airline which is yet to receive their AOC yet have big ambitions to connect the world via their base.
Do you honestly think that Riyadh Air would choose STN over LGW or LHR as their initial choice of London airport?

I don't hence why I deliberately didnt mention them in the list of potential international airlines that could possibly be seen at STN within the next few years.

I'm not saying that Riyadh Air won't be at STN at some point but definitely not "within the next few years". More like 10 years as I'm certain that Riyadh Air will be operating to LGW and LHR for many years before STN would be considered.

Riyadh Air are to announce their initial destinations shortly with London being one of their first. It will be interesting what London airport they will announce but again I'm certain that it won't be STN.

Another possible international airline at STN that I had overlooked was MIAT Airlines from Ulaanbaatar.
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Just announced on X by SeanM1997 that Ryanair are to serve both Bodrum & Dalaman in Türkiye starting 1st & 2nd December respectively. Both to operate twice weekly.

Only surprise here is that Ryanair have chosen to commence two summer seasonal destinations in December.
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The other one that has totally disappeared from the radar as far as starting STN services is concerned is FlyPop. Not sure if they are still planning on officially launching, as it has been a long time since we heard any updates, but they had been flagged to begin a set of routes to India from STN, but since then, it has all gone quiet.

With some of the others mentioned... I'd love to see TK back (last served STN in 2009), and I think that KLM could well be a good fit for STN in order to boost AMS frequencies, something that EasyJet won't do now that STN is no longer a base for them. I bet you that if EZY dropped Amsterdam, KLM or Transavia would announce it pretty quickly. Cyprus Airways- potentially, although they will probably try LGW first before looking to STN. I did question in another forum whether Tarom would consider retaining a presence in the UK via STN, now that they will be exiting LHR at the end of the month, but sadly, I think this is unlikely, with FR comfortably serving OTP up to 5 times per day, well above Tarom's existing 1 daily flight to Bucharest from Heathrow, so I reckon they'll be withdrawing from the UK completely once LHR ends.

I'm also wondering whether Eurowings would consider returning to STN, now with FR reducing their presence in Germany. Germany has always been well served from STN, with the likes of Germanwings and Air Berlin serving the airport for many years, both of which are sadly no longer around.

On a positive note, it's wonderful to see Transavia back at STN after so many years away (last served circa 2006/7). Hopefully they will be successful at STN this time, and they will of course benefit by the fact that they will face no direct competition from FR to Rotterdam.

On a different note, any word at all on the terminal transformation updates?
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