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Old 9th Aug 2022, 08:46
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Outbound load of 97% is very impressive. Assume the inbound will catch up once people start returning from their week in Dubai or far-flung adventures.
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 11:13
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Outbound load of 97% is very impressive. Assume the inbound will catch up once people start returning from their week in Dubai or far-flung adventures.
Very definitely excellent figures however, and pardon my question, has this been inflated by the restrictions on Emirates LHR service?

Either way it's looking promising.
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 11:29
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EK figs

LHR situation may be helping, but 2019 pre- pandemic figs were in that region when STN had double daily flights.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 09:11
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Other than Emirates, does anyone think there is potential for further long haul from STN? Previously we did have Air India pre-pandemic, although this has now ceased in favour of LHR, plus Primera, American Airlines, EOS and MaxJet to the US. JetBlue are in the midst of taking on more A321LRs, plus the A321XLR. I'm mindful that in the first instance, they'd want to expand frequency at LHR and LGW, but with more a/c coming online, could they make a go at STN? The A321LR/XLR could be a good fit for STN.

Also, is there any news on POP starting service from STN?
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 10:30
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Originally Posted by JW95
Other than Emirates, does anyone think there is potential for further long haul from STN? Previously we did have Air India pre-pandemic, although this has now ceased in favour of LHR, plus Primera, American Airlines, EOS and MaxJet to the US. JetBlue are in the midst of taking on more A321LRs, plus the A321XLR. I'm mindful that in the first instance, they'd want to expand frequency at LHR and LGW, but with more a/c coming online, could they make a go at STN? The A321LR/XLR could be a good fit for STN.

Also, is there any news on POP starting service from STN?
Pre covid had heard and seen that Singapore and a few of the smaller Chinese airlines where looking to start. In terms of Singapore the rumour was moving the SIN-MAN-IAH to Stansted and Manchester would get a terminator service.

Jetblue did have a good look at Stansted and had acquired slots. But got the prized slots at LHR and LGW to.

Norse Atlantic had also got slots at Stansted but held out for Gatwick ones to.

Air India are still holding slots and have been strongly rumoured to be returning.

Flypop have got the slots, have the office setup and operational in Enterprise house next to the terminal and have got the planes. But lack a UK AOC for the time being. Have heard they are looking to get a deal done with Hifly to operate the flights. But talk of flypop is actually limited within Stansted.

Not long haul but Tunis Air are flying all flights to Stansted currently over Heathrow/Stansted split. Air Algerie also moved operations to Stansted for the summer. Though more than likely these will changed towards the end of summer when Heathrow lifts the capacity limit. But hopefully not and both stay fully at Stansted.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 10:37
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Originally Posted by STN406
Pre covid had heard and seen that Singapore and a few of the smaller Chinese airlines where looking to start. In terms of Singapore the rumour was moving the SIN-MAN-IAH to Stansted and Manchester would get a terminator service.

Jetblue did have a good look at Stansted and had acquired slots. But got the prized slots at LHR and LGW to.

Norse Atlantic had also got slots at Stansted but held out for Gatwick ones to.

Air India are still holding slots and have been strongly rumoured to be returning.

Flypop have got the slots, have the office setup and operational in Enterprise house next to the terminal and have got the planes. But lack a UK AOC for the time being. Have heard they are looking to get a deal done with Hifly to operate the flights. But talk of flypop is actually limited within Stansted.

Not long haul but Tunis Air are flying all flights to Stansted currently over Heathrow/Stansted split. Air Algerie also moved operations to Stansted for the summer. Though more than likely these will changed towards the end of summer when Heathrow lifts the capacity limit. But hopefully not and both stay fully at Stansted.
Tunisair actually lost some of their LHR and LGW slots. I believe because of multiple breaches of rules. The only link I can find is paywalled but I read it elsewhere too. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...-gatwick-slots
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 10:50
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Originally Posted by STN406
Pre covid had heard and seen that Singapore and a few of the smaller Chinese airlines where looking to start. In terms of Singapore the rumour was moving the SIN-MAN-IAH to Stansted and Manchester would get a terminator service.

Jetblue did have a good look at Stansted and had acquired slots. But got the prized slots at LHR and LGW to.

Norse Atlantic had also got slots at Stansted but held out for Gatwick ones to.

Air India are still holding slots and have been strongly rumoured to be returning.

Flypop have got the slots, have the office setup and operational in Enterprise house next to the terminal and have got the planes. But lack a UK AOC for the time being. Have heard they are looking to get a deal done with Hifly to operate the flights. But talk of flypop is actually limited within Stansted.

Not long haul but Tunis Air are flying all flights to Stansted currently over Heathrow/Stansted split. Air Algerie also moved operations to Stansted for the summer. Though more than likely these will changed towards the end of summer when Heathrow lifts the capacity limit. But hopefully not and both stay fully at Stansted.
Singapore Airlines at STN? That would be a very interesting one. But surely would they not be more inclined to move the service over to LHR or LGW? As regards Air India, I note that the previous routes served from STN (Amritsar and Mumbai) are now being served from LHR only, but maybe they'd go back to Stansted to compete against POP, if it ever takes off?
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 10:54
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Canít see SQ going to STN given Scoot didnít even when they came to London. But never say never I guess.

Does Air Asia X have slots for its next attempt at KUL via DXB otherwise they are a possibility.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 11:07
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Singapore Airlines at STN? That would be a very interesting one. But surely would they not be more inclined to move the service over to LHR or LGW? As regards Air India, I note that the previous routes served from STN (Amritsar and Mumbai) are now being served from LHR only, but maybe they'd go back to Stansted to compete against POP, if it ever takes off?
Same would have been said about Emirates some years ago.Singapore already operate from LHR and can connect onto Unitedís IAH flights. The idea was it would get good feed from the tech and pharmaceuticals markets in the region particularly in Cambridge.

With Air India the ATQ route was a good choice at STN due to the links to Punjabi diaspora in the region. BOM was initially started as at the time Air India was struggling to gain additional slots at LHR. But was rumoured to start despite gain the nessary slots at LHR at the time.
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BOM was only temporary, announced and launched very quickly mid-season but to shift to LHR upon start of the summer schedule. Of course it became a very short-lived venture for obvious reasons.

ATQ was amongst a number of low frequency routes launched at LHR to fill slots. Once the core destination frequencies have been fully reinstated or slots theyíre borrowing returned itís very plausible theyíll return to STN.
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Old 13th Aug 2022, 09:30
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Originally Posted by STN406
Same would have been said about Emirates some years ago.Singapore already operate from LHR and can connect onto Unitedís IAH flights. The idea was it would get good feed from the tech and pharmaceuticals markets in the region particularly in Cambridge.

With Air India the ATQ route was a good choice at STN due to the links to Punjabi diaspora in the region. BOM was initially started as at the time Air India was struggling to gain additional slots at LHR. But was rumoured to start despite gain the nessary slots at LHR at the time.
RE. Singapore Airlines, I'd be intrigued to hear more about this, if there is more info?. As you rightly highlight, a IAH-STN-SIN service could well benefit from all the tech and pharmaceutical firms in the STN catchment area. Plus, with MAG being the owner of both MAN and STN, perhaps they have a chance of persuading SQ to shift the service from MAN to STN. Having another UK gateway for SQ, similar to how CX did with LHR and LGW pre-pandemic wouldn't hurt either, and would only serve to benefit passengers living within the STN catchment area. The A350 has been phenomenal in allowing airlines such as SQ and CX to open up new, 'thinner' long-haul routes, so perhaps STN could be one of those?

RE. Air India, it would be nice to see them back at Stansted. With LHR plagued with numerous capacity restrictions and staff shortages at present, perhaps they'd be willing to reinstate their ATQ flight from here? Having said that, LGW has lost a significant chunk of its long-haul as a result of Covid, so I'm conscious they'd be competing hard against STN to win Air India over.
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Old 13th Aug 2022, 15:33
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Pecking order for the flag carriers.

Heathrow
Gatwick,
Stansted,
Luton
Southend.

Doesn’t say much for Stansted and says even less for Luton. As for Southend they appear to be off the radar to even the LCC’s

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Old 13th Aug 2022, 21:07
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I'd be astonished to see Singapore at Ryanair Intl! The point about Emirates fails to remember just how exceptional Emirates are, first choice for UK long haul going East, B777s out of BHX/GLA/NCL/EDI over and a above the usual suspects pre COVID. Singapore would be a dramatic change of strategy. Air India really do seem to have gotten hold of a load of LHR slots, their 4 daily offering is now around 5 I think?
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I'd be astonished to see Singapore at Ryanair Intl! The point about Emirates fails to remember just how exceptional Emirates are, first choice for UK long haul going East, B777s out of BHX/GLA/NCL/EDI over and a above the usual suspects pre COVID. Singapore would be a dramatic change of strategy. Air India really do seem to have gotten hold of a load of LHR slots, their 4 daily offering is now around 5 I think?
TATAs eyes are on more Tech to Tech shuttles however are tied down by the generally poor maintenance of the current Air India long haul fleet - they are looking at used 77w frames as an intermediary fleet uplift as the few 77L are withdrawn soon, and any further expansion to Europe seems a distant dream; that includes the resurrection of BHX capacity to match pre COVID19 levels any time soon.

Bear in mind they have lost two 77w frames to government use, have at least one 787 out of service - VT-ANT hasn’t flown for a year with a further three parked since the beginning of the year whilst several 77w frames also remain parked

TATAs focus must be to make a basket case profitable and quickly.

That means core routes ( hub to hub and alliance partnership priorities) over secondary to secondary routes to appease certain vocal political and ethnic groupings

A large part of the financial ignorance of Air India has been the result of placing political interests over basic commercial objectives for decades past.

As for Singapore I don’t see MAG group ever considering or sponsoring a transfer of this key long haul passenger route south. Different matter regarding freight through.

The Houston tag from Singapore hasn’t ever been particularly successful either via Moscow or Manchester in the movement of organic blobs through certainly had for pallets of all sorts .

One thing through is they do codeshare to a limited of beyond Houston destinations with United from homebase but not from Manchester.

I think this is a regulatory restriction from the US (7th and 8th freedoms are not covered) by any of the relevant treaties
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Rail links

Undoubtably this has been raised before, but what STN would really benefit from is faster rail services to London. Currently, journeys on the Stansted Express into Liverpool Street take approximately 50 minutes, sometimes longer, each running every 30 minutes or so. In comparison, LGW sees 30 minute rail connections into London, which has undoubtably allowed GIP to attract more airlines to Gatwick. I remember that MAG were vigorously campaigning for faster rail services from STN shortly after they took over in 2013, but it all seems to have gone quiet. Are faster rail links still on the agenda? I'm convinced that having these in place would allow STN and MAG to better compete for new airlines going forward. Granted, MAG have done very well since taking over from BAA, especially with the likes of Emirates, however, surely there is even more scope for STN to attract a greater mix of airlines?

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Old 17th Aug 2022, 16:46
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Isn't the problem the lack of rail tracks, any fast service has to sit behind a stopping service at some point so is not a fast service, just one which stops less?
LGW has multiple tracks, LHR dedicated tracks & LTN has 4 for fast & slow service mix?
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The only way 4 tracking will become realistic is if Crossrail 2 happens in its current iteration, which is highly unlikely any time soon.


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How long did the then-new Stansted Express take in 1991 when the new Terminal
opened? Just for context, anyone know?
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41 mins according to this link https://www.nsers.org/1991.html
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Old 17th Aug 2022, 22:10
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LTNman, I don’t think longhaul from LTN would work for passengers especially Americans, for some reason Luton Airport thinks it’s acceptable to advertise itself as LLA and dropped LTN from all media and signage.
This would be very confusing for Americans.
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