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Old 22nd Jul 2022, 10:07
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I'm thinking something like the low-rise shed at the end of the Ryanair pier at STN. MAG already have a prototype... no need to copy another airport
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 10:46
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Stansted's Transformation

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I have heard the same sort of thing. It would be a similar layout to this.
The arrivals terminal has apparently been totally scrapped and designs and plans for a second terminal are happening now. From what I hear by the end of summer plans should be released.
Quite the U-turn if they have decided to scrap the Arrivals Building- is there any particular reason why they have now decided on a second terminal over an arrivals building?

Would definitely been keen to learn more about the proposed architecture of the proposed new terminal and satellite 4, if these both come to fruition. Would be a shame if MAG decided to go down the Luton-style terminal route, very claustrophobic and no natural lighting or space whatsoever.

MAG also were (and presumably still are) keen on trying to attract more long haul to STN- so I wonder if this ambition will inform the approach to the design of Satellite 4?
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 11:20
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Originally Posted by JW95
Quite the U-turn if they have decided to scrap the Arrivals Building- is there any particular reason why they have now decided on a second terminal over an arrivals building?

Would definitely been keen to learn more about the proposed architecture of the proposed new terminal and satellite 4, if these both come to fruition. Would be a shame if MAG decided to go down the Luton-style terminal route, very claustrophobic and no natural lighting or space whatsoever.

MAG also were (and presumably still are) keen on trying to attract more long haul to STN- so I wonder if this ambition will inform the approach to the design of Satellite 4?
I for one hope that if MAG go along the lines of a Luton style 2nd terminal for Ryanair (I imagine Sat 4 will be for FR too) then they put some investment into main terminal. The building is a beauty but has been modified, neglected and destroyed over the years. I think MAG should turn it back into what it was always designed to be (not low cost) and enable a decent enough experiance to get some long haul/full service.
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Originally Posted by _aax1
I for one hope that if MAG go along the lines of a Luton style 2nd terminal for Ryanair (I imagine Sat 4 will be for FR too) then they put some investment into main terminal. The building is a beauty but has been modified, neglected and destroyed over the years. I think MAG should turn it back into what it was always designed to be (not low cost) and enable a decent enough experiance to get some long haul/full service.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, as much as I (alongside many others) would no doubt love this to happen, I think this is very unlikely to be the case. MAG have already spent ££££££ in "enhancing" the terminal in recent years (e.g. complete remodelling of the departure lounge; snake-walk duty free) which was only finished in 2016-17. In order to be non-low cost, MAG would essentially have to rip this all up and downsize on the outlets/duty free, which given their track record, I think is very unlikely.

I think what MAG should definitely be focused on now is completing the shoreline check in concept (the original "island" zones look quite dated now), and significantly invest in upgrading the boarding gate areas and the existing satellites (with the exception of satellite 1, which does look very nice), as these also are looking worn and past their sell-by-date. If they're really serious about long haul, as they were prior Pandemic, then this will be essential I think, and maybe additional airline lounges in the satellites. Currently, we only have the Escape lounge in the main terminal. IIRC, there were a few lounges in satellites 1 and 2 previously?

As regards terminal 2, I really hope MAG won't go down the Luton-style design, as it wouldn't fit in with STN's existing architecture and infrastructure. Certainly, it wouldn't help MAG in helping STN compete for new carriers, much less so becoming the airport of choice in London, as they envision it to be.

It is a shame though, as I always found STN fairly pleasant prior to MAG ownership, and I had positive hopes when BAA sold it, especially given the mantra of wanting STN to become the "best airport in London" shortly after MAG took over.
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Old 23rd Jul 2022, 19:22
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Air Algerie transfer Heathrow flights to Stansted

Seems Air Algerie have transferred some of their Heathrow flights to Stansted due to restraint issues at Heathrow Due to congestion at London Heathrow Airport which impacted most Airlines, Air Algerie informs its passengers to and from London that the flights of July 22 and 23, 2022 are transferred to Stansted airport as follows:

- AH2054 Algiers - London Heathrow becomes AH2354 Algiers - London Stansted at 2:50 p.m.

- AH2055 London Heathrow - Algiers becomes AH2355 London Stansted - Algiers at 7:00 p.m.
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 08:19
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Originally Posted by JW95
As regards terminal 2, I really hope MAG won't go down the Luton-style design, as it wouldn't fit in with STN's existing architecture and infrastructure. Certainly, it wouldn't help MAG in helping STN compete for new carriers, much less so becoming the airport of choice
MAG do not care about the existing design. Compare with what they did at MAN. The original T2 complex was a sleek design that still looks modern today. The new T2 extension has no respect for the original design and looks a complete dogs dinner. The architecture is so jarring that itís painful to look at.
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Old 24th Jul 2022, 16:53
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The private sector only cares about rewarding senior execs and shareholders in that order. Any new longhaul at STN can easily be accomadated in Sat 1. Projected traffic volume growth is loco and so the tin shed minimalism will be fine. Remember the original vision of the Norman Foster terminal was to be an iconic London gateway for the country, the easiest to use and simplest for the passenger. The current model is private ROI on volume driven low cost passengers being fleeced in shops.
So unless the Finance team are feeling especially generous, tin shed add ons are all that's needed. Remember, the original plan for STN was an expensive failure and the BAA took a hit, and also remember it was partially paid for via cross subsidy from other group profits as well as HMG as it was a public sector org back then. None of the considerations above, of which I agree, will apply in 2022. It is what it is, I'd love to be wrong (again)
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Air Cairo

A new addition to the Stansted family. Air Cairo are set to begin weekly flights between Stansted and Luxor using A320ís. Starting from the 6th November.
A nice addition to the network from Stansted.

SM843 LXR1340 Ė 1730STN 320 7
SM844 STN1830 Ė 0235+1LXR 320 7

N.B not currently on sale on their website.
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New Zurich and Paris Orly Flights

Looking at the W22 ACL slot report seems that easyjet are adding a STN -ORY flight with 294 slots requested with a total of 54,684 seats and Swissair adding a STN-ZRH flight with 174 slots requested with a total of 31,320 seats.
As we know this also doesnít always transpire but could be interesting, hi fly Malta also showing for their Iceland / Nice Air flights as new destinations for winter 22, however believe they still have some issue to resolve with regards to this one. Airport City served Country ATMs Seats

ORY Paris France 294 54,684



Operator Newly allocated slots W21 SAL ATMs ATM change for W22 SAL


Swiss International Air Lines New operator

Airport City served Country ATMs Seats

ZRH Zurich Switzerland 174 31,320
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Originally Posted by STN406
A new addition to the Stansted family. Air Cairo are set to begin weekly flights between Stansted and Luxor using A320ís. Starting from the 6th November.
A nice addition to the network from Stansted.

SM843 LXR1340 Ė 1730STN 320 7
SM844 STN1830 Ė 0235+1LXR 320 7

N.B not currently on sale on their website.
That's an interesting one. Usually block book seats with a Tour Operator and the balance on sale on their own Web Site. Luxor is a strange on though, not the place you would want to spend even one week at on holiday. Do the tours of the temples, tombs and monuments then what, unless it is a tie up with a Nile Cruise.
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Do the tours of the temples, tombs and monuments then what, unless it is a tie up with a Nile Cruise.
Thatís exactly what. Traditionally Monarch and other IT flew there until it became no-go, much more so than Sharm etc.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 21:50
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Looks like the Air Algerie flights are at STN for the rest of the week.

There also appear to be extra Tunisair unless additional peak frequencies above the normal 2x weekly schedule were always planned.
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Old 26th Jul 2022, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Paulesx
Looking at the W22 ACL slot report seems that easyjet are adding a STN -ORY flight with 294 slots requested with a total of 54,684 seats and Swissair adding a STN-ZRH flight with 174 slots requested with a total of 31,320 seats.
As we know this also doesnít always transpire but could be interesting, hi fly Malta also showing for their Iceland / Nice Air flights as new destinations for winter 22, however believe they still have some issue to resolve with regards to this one. Airport City served Country ATMs Seats

ORY Paris France 294 54,684



Operator Newly allocated slots W21 SAL ATMs ATM change for W22 SAL


Swiss International Air Lines New operator

Airport City served Country ATMs Seats

ZRH Zurich Switzerland 174 31,320
Swiss is an odd one considering its ops down the road at LCY. But these ACL reports should be taken with a pinch of salt from experience.
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Swiss isnít odd on those numbers. Looks like a weekend skiing operation. They do LGW as well in addition to LCY/LHR
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Luxor is a strange on though, not the place you would want to spend even one week at on holiday.
I'm off on holiday for 3 weeks soon flying with Egyptair. Luxor is a great city to explore if you're interested in Egyptian history. Don't expect theme parks or anything like that, you'll need to fly to Sharm or Hurghada for that.

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STN departure lounge refurbishment

Being reported that MAG's £12 million upgrade of the departure lounge is now complete. Other than the addition of new shops and eateries, the press release mentions additional seating is now available, but not sure where this is? Is this the wooden-bench type seating that was already in place?

Hopefully it won't be too long now before we hear more about the supposed plans for Terminal 2 and other aspects related to the transformation project.
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Originally Posted by JW95
Being reported that MAG's £12 million upgrade of the departure lounge is now complete. Other than the addition of new shops and eateries, the press release mentions additional seating is now available, but not sure where this is? Is this the wooden-bench type seating that was already in place?

Hopefully it won't be too long now before we hear more about the supposed plans for Terminal 2 and other aspects related to the transformation project.
No actually area of increased seating is new. With the refurbishment of some restaurants that has increased seating very slightly. Just the way media try to sell it Iíd say.
But other improvements are coming.
-Other restaurants and shops in the IDL will be refurbished in the winter.
-A new Leon landside will be put in.
-Cafť Nero in the bus station getting a refurbishment.
-Larger seating area in arrivals. A communal seating area for all restaurants will be used instead of individual seating areas. This will increase seating landside.
-A new Burger King drive thru will be built along Thremall Ave heading towards the A120.

So a good few things to come in the coming year or so.
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Originally Posted by STN406
No actually area of increased seating is new. With the refurbishment of some restaurants that has increased seating very slightly. Just the way media try to sell it Iíd say.
But other improvements are coming.
-Other restaurants and shops in the IDL will be refurbished in the winter.
-A new Leon landside will be put in.
-Cafť Nero in the bus station getting a refurbishment.
-Larger seating area in arrivals. A communal seating area for all restaurants will be used instead of individual seating areas. This will increase seating landside.
-A new Burger King drive thru will be built along Thremall Ave heading towards the A120.

So a good few things to come in the coming year or so.
Good news! Does anyone have any pictures of where the new seating area is? (As this seems to have been excluded from the press and media photos).

In all honesty, Iím surprised MAG are spending more money into refurbishing restaurants/shops etc, given that the departure lounge redesign was only fairly recently completed in 2016/17. Iíd had thought that there would be other areas that could be tackled first (e.g unfinished shoreline check in area; refurbishment of satellite 2 and satellite 3 gate areas etc, given that these havenít been touched in years).
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The brands often change because previous contracts end. I would imagine the fit out of the units is covered at least in part by the supplier rather than MAG.
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Originally Posted by JW95
Good news! Does anyone have any pictures of where the new seating area is? (As this seems to have been excluded from the press and media photos).

In all honesty, Iím surprised MAG are spending more money into refurbishing restaurants/shops etc, given that the departure lounge redesign was only fairly recently completed in 2016/17. Iíd had thought that there would be other areas that could be tackled first (e.g unfinished shoreline check in area; refurbishment of satellite 2 and satellite 3 gate areas etc, given that these havenít been touched in years).
As said their is no new seating area that has been created in the refurbishment works. Itís been solely work on individual shops and restaurants in the IDL. MAG havenít spent a penny on this is all been spent by the companies who lease the units. Part of the contact they sign is to renew the unit after so many years.

SAT3 has had some small works done in the last 2-3 years. 3 gates have been given a face lift. 43, 48 and 50. Plus the bar/restaurant here has been renovated to.
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