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Old 18th Aug 2022, 08:23
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Tottenham Hale is reached in 35 minutes from/to London Stansted - this gives direct connections on to the tube network.

Not everyone wishes to go to Liverpool Street/Central London/Victoria


Stansted has a much better coach network in to London (Stratford/Victoria) - Gatwick has no real coach feed in to London and relies on the direct rail link.

Found this out to my cost when I arrived at Gatwick a few weeks ago when the train strike was on - people had no means of leaving or arriving at Gatwick other than by car, taxi (3 hour queues) or local bus.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 08:32
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The only way 4 tracking will become realistic is if Crossrail 2 happens in its current iteration, which is highly unlikely any time soon.
Shame, but also understandable Is there any other way in the interim at least that MAG could attract a more diverse airline mix to STN, including more long haul? Emirates have already demonstrated that demand for full service long haul from STN can work, and I'm sure that the 2nd daily frequency will be restored soon.

I also think that it is a shame that STN currently lacks a European feeder airline (no doubt this has largely been due to FR). In the past, Stansted has seen KLM (AMS), Lufthansa (FRA) and SAS (CPH), and AB (TXL, DUS) and of course KLM UK did have a sizeable operation at one point, with various destinations beyond AMS. With EZY now running less services to AMS than previously following the base closure, it would be nice to see KLM back at STN, as this would open up a whole host of connections via Amsterdam.

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Old 18th Aug 2022, 09:29
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Originally Posted by JW95
Shame, but also understandable Is there any other way in the interim at least that MAG could attract a more diverse airline mix to STN, including more long haul? Emirates have already demonstrated that demand for full service long haul from STN can work, and I'm sure that the 2nd daily frequency will be restored soon.

I also think that it is a shame that STN currently lacks a European feeder airline (no doubt this has largely been due to FR). In the past, Stansted has seen KLM (AMS), Lufthansa (FRA) and SAS (CPH), and AB (TXL, DUS) and of course KLM UK did have a sizeable operation at one point, with various destinations beyond AMS. With EZY now running less services to AMS than previously following the base closure, it would be nice to see KLM back at STN, as this would open up a whole host of connections via Amsterdam.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 09:36
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Would Eurowings returning or even Lufthansa turning up be feasible for STN ?
Or maybe Transavia or Hop! to Paris ?

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Old 18th Aug 2022, 09:53
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Would Eurowings returning or even Lufthansa turning up be feasible for STN ?
Or maybe Transavia or Hop! to Paris ?
My thoughts exactly. With FR now having retrenched to Hahn, could Lufthansa/Eurowings make STN-FRA work? Again, it would be great if LH did come back, as connections via FRA are vast. CDG is now also absent, following EZY's base closure, so it would be good to see it make a return.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 10:06
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TK to Istanbul (as opposed to AnadoluJet to SAW) would be a great way to open up more worldwide connections.

AMS definitely needs a better connection IMHO KLM would be the one to do this.

USA wise - Could we see Norse or JetBlue in the future? Aer Lingus via DUB would also open up westbound Atlantic connections.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 14:22
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Originally Posted by pamann
TK to Istanbul (as opposed to AnadoluJet to SAW) would be a great way to open up more worldwide connections.

AMS definitely needs a better connection IMHO KLM would be the one to do this.

US wise - Could we see Norse or JetBlue in the future? Aer Lingus via DUB would also open up westbound Atlantic connections.
If Aer Lingus does ever come to STN I would imagine it would be EI UK maybe a mirror image of their MAN operation over the pond would work nicely.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 14:34
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I also think that it is a shame that STN currently lacks a European feeder airline (no doubt this has largely been due to FR). In the past, Stansted has seen KLM (AMS), Lufthansa (FRA) and SAS (CPH), and AB (TXL, DUS)
So what has changed that would now make these routes viable?
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 14:50
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
So what has changed that would now make these routes viable?
A - Covid is now substantially over, and air travel demand is strong again, allowing airlines to reactivate planned routes that might have opened in 2021 if there had not been a pandemic
B - Ryanair ceased flying to FRA, shows no interest in MUC and minimal interest in AMS
C - Easyjet cut back significantly at STN and dropped a STN-MUC route and (I think) a STN-CDG route
D - Heathrow this summer has shown the dangers of all eggs in one basket
E - Easyjet and Ryanair have substantially withdrawn from Southend which had a strong SEN-AMS route. KLM's Manston route did surprisingly well until Manston was closed
F - Transavia seems to be growing fast in Paris, and Air France unions don't seem to be making that much noise over this
G - Lufthansa seem to be more interested in UK regions after opening routes from FRA to Bristol and Liverpool
H - Jet2 have completely pulled out of AMS this summer

I don't think that SAS should be touching STN any time soon - they are far too weak financially to do anything and need to remain highly risk averse right now.

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Old 18th Aug 2022, 16:01
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Originally Posted by pamann
TK to Istanbul (as opposed to AnadoluJet to SAW) would be a great way to open up more worldwide connections.

AMS definitely needs a better connection IMHO KLM would be the one to do this.

USA wise - Could we see Norse or JetBlue in the future? Aer Lingus via DUB would also open up westbound Atlantic connections.
Would definitely agree with you on TK. I always thought it was a shame that Turkish Airlines closed STN in 2009 in favour of LGW, as there is a huge demand for flights to Turkey from Stansted. I don't see why TK couldn't reinstate services to IST that complement and/or replace the current SAW service, given that both AnadoluJet and Pegasus both serve this route. As you say, the advantage of TK returning to STN would be that vastly more connections would be opened up that SAW does not have.

RE. KLM- completely agree also. There are some days where the existing EZY service offers only one rotation/day, while other days don't see any rotations at all. I think it's obvious that easyJet do not intend to reopen their STN base any time in the near future, hence an increase in services to AMS with better times/frequency is also very unlikely. If passengers want better times, they are essentially forced to use EZY via LGW or LTN instead. I think KLM could do very well on the route due to the vast connections available.

USA - I don't think Norse would wish to have a dual London operation from a cost-based perspective. IIRC, they did initially secure slots at STN before opting for LGW once slots there became available. LGW is also being flagged up as a base for Norse once they establish their UK based subsidiary, making an entry to STN even less likely. If anything, I do see scope for JetBlue to serve STN once more aircraft come online, and they have a sufficient number of daily rotations at both LHR and LGW before moving onto consider a third London airport. But I do think this will be some time yet. It's a shame that American Airlines couldn't make STN work when they tried in the 1990s and 2007-8, as it would be nice to see them back, perhaps this time with one of their A321NEOs.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 16:07
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
A - Covid is now substantially over, and air travel demand is strong again, allowing airlines to reactivate planned routes that might have opened in 2021 if there had not been a pandemic
B - Ryanair ceased flying to FRA, shows no interest in MUC and minimal interest in AMS
C - Easyjet cut back significantly at STN and dropped a STN-MUC route and (I think) a STN-CDG route
D - Heathrow this summer has shown the dangers of all eggs in one basket
E - Easyjet and Ryanair have substantially withdrawn from Southend which had a strong SEN-AMS route. KLM's Manston route did surprisingly well until Manston was closed
F - Transavia seems to be growing fast in Paris, and Air France unions don't seem to be making that much noise over this
G - Lufthansa seem to be more interested in UK regions after opening routes from FRA to Bristol and Liverpool
H - Jet2 have completely pulled out of AMS this summer

I don't think that SAS should be touching STN any time soon - they are far too weak financially to do anything and need to remain highly risk averse right now.
Well said davidjohnson6! I think there is a case for an FRA route from STN, especially now with FR's withdrawal. If MAG really want to expand long haul from STN which I believe they do, then LH would be a fantastic 'new' airline in offering long haul connections. Plus, with LHR facing a barrage of capacity restrictions until the end of October (which may well be extended beyond that date), STN could be a viable alternative for an airline looking to expand its presence in the London market. However, there is also the argument that LGW would also be competing for the same services, hence airlines would need to assess both to see which one is more likely to be profitable for them.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 16:48
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EZY AMS

Goes back to double daily after the summer.
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Old 18th Aug 2022, 19:15
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Keep an eye on FlyPOP, rumoured to want to use STN as a feeder to the US in year 3/4, and yes I know they have a long way to go and certain milestones to reach but they have already achieved more than many predicted.
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Old 23rd Aug 2022, 16:18
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Looking at winter break options and seems like thereís a lot of frequency reductions and destinations going seasonal which I havenít seen mentioned, and which I think had been on sale previously. Assume this isnít unique to Ryanair, or indeed to STN.
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Old 23rd Aug 2022, 19:25
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Been a couple of years since I parked at Stansted, but what has happened to the considerable parking provision walking from the terminal, including the recent extension round the north end (Blue parking ?). Just not offered at all on their official website, only remote bus links and meet/greet.
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Been a couple of years since I parked at Stansted, but what has happened to the considerable parking provision walking from the terminal, including the recent extension round the north end (Blue parking ?). Just not offered at all on their official website, only remote bus links and meet/greet.
When are you looking at? If itís imminent it may just be full up.
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
When are you looking at? If itís imminent it may just be full up.
No, I tested that by looking at booking a month and more further ahead, same then.
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A - Covid is now substantially over.

No, but now there is a yet another elephant in the room for the airlines, 'RECESSION'. Discretionary spending the world over is going to be pinched massively.
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No, I tested that by looking at booking a month and more further ahead, same then.
Its certainly there in October for all walkable zones but it disappears as an option if you increase the length of stay beyond a few days.
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