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Old 21st Jan 2024, 21:03
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Quite a lot of diversions around as to be expected.

FR had 2 DUB flights return to EDI after failing to land.

Also an EZY GVA-BRS flight diverted upto EDI

EDI-BRS diverted to CDG.

I read on another thread EDI and NCL not accepting anymore diversions but appears the EZY LTN-EDI is now going to NCL
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Originally Posted by NotanAVGeek
Quite a lot of diversions around as to be expected.

FR had 2 DUB flights return to EDI after failing to land.

Also an EZY GVA-BRS flight diverted upto EDI

EDI-BRS diverted to CDG.

I read on another thread EDI and NCL not accepting anymore diversions but appears the EZY LTN-EDI is now going to NCL
I noted a Ryanair flight FR2970 TFS-EDI last night that ended up in CGN (Cologne, Germany!)
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Originally Posted by Wycombe
I noted a Ryanair flight FR2970 TFS-EDI last night that ended up in CGN (Cologne, Germany!)
That was the first of 3 Ryanair flights which diverted to Cologne.

Even more strangely the DUB & SNN - EDI both ended up in Germany.

A lot of disruption today no doubt with aircrafts and crews out of base.

Fair play to Ryanair and EasyJet who are operating flights as overnight delayed rather than cancel them. Ryanair operating a few flights with lengthy delays as operating with non based aircraft (in reverse)
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Old 23rd Jan 2024, 14:43
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Ryanair S24 Changes

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NEW AGA - 2 weekly
ALC - 7 weekly
BCN - 8 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rise to 10 weekly in JUNE
BRI - 2 weekly
BFS - 13 weekly
BER - 8 weekly
BZR - 2 weekly (currently set to commence in JUNE)
BLL - 3 weekly in APRIL and MAY rise to 4 weekly in JUNE
BLQ - 3 weekly
BOD - 4 weekly
BOH - 4 weekly
BTS - 2 weekly
CRL - 9 weekly in APRIL and MAY rise to 10 weekly in JUNE
OTP - 2 weekly
BUD - 6 weekly APRIL and MAY, rise to 7 weekly in JUNE
CCF - CUT
CPH - 9 weekly
CFU - 1 weekly (currently not loaded in APRIL and MAY)
ORK - 7 weekly (originally loaded at 10 weekly)
DUB - 32 weekly
NRN - 6 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 7 weekly in JUNE
EIN - 2 weekly
FAO - 5 weekly (originally loaded at 8 weekly)
FUE - 2 weekly
GDN - 5 weekly
LPA - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
GOT - 2 weekly
HAM - 4 weekly (originally loaded at 5 weekly)
IBZ - 2 weekly
KUN - 2 weekly
NOC - 2 weekly (originally loaded at 3 weekly)
KRK - 5 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 6 weekly in JUNE (originaly loaded at 6/5)
ACE - 4 weekly
LIS - 3 weekly
STN - 21 weekly (originally loaded at 17 weekly)
MAD - 5 weekly
AGP - 6 weekly
MLA - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
RAK - 2 weekly
MRS - 4 weekly
BGY - 6 weekly
NTE - 2 weekly
NAP - 3 weekly
NQY - 2 weekly
FNI - CUT
PMO - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED
PMI - 8 weekly
BVA - 4 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 5 weekly in JUNE
PSA - 4 weekly
PIS - 2 weekly
OPO - 3 weekly
POZ - 2 weekly (originally loaded at 3 weekly)
PRG - 5 weekly
RHO - 2 weekly
RIX - 4 weekly
CIA - 7 weekly
SDR - 2 weekly
SCQ -CUT
SVQ - 3 weekly
SNN - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
SOF - 3 weekly
TFS - 5 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 6 weekly in JUNE
TIA - 2 weekly (originally loaded at 3 weekly)
TLS - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
TRN - CUT
VLC - 2 weekly
VCE - 3 weekly
VIE - 3 weekly
WMI - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED (they hold slots for EDI-WAW this winter so may transfer)
WRO - 2 weekly
ZAD - 2 weekly


Summary of Changes

AGA new at 2x week
ORK and FAO reduced by 3 weekly
HAM, NOC, KRK, POZ, TIA reduced by 1 weekly (It is possible that based a/c at EDI will operate Warsaw rather than BUZZ), WMI was 5 weekly, this clears 5 separate days to operate a Warsaw flight to either WAW or WMI
STN up by 4 weekly
BGY will remain at 6 weekly rather than increase to 7 weekly.
It appears Ryanair are updating schedules again (given the size of the summary at the bottom this is all likely to change)

AGA - 2 weekly
ALC - 6 weekly (rises to 7 weekly in JULY)
BCN - 8 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rise to 10 weekly in JUNE
BRI - 2 weekly
BFS - 13 weekly
NEW EGC - 2 weekly
BER - 8 weekly (reduces to 7 weekly from JUNE)
BZR - 2 weekly
NEW BIQ - 2 weekly
BLL - 3 weekly in APRIL and MAY rise to 4 weekly in JUNE
BLQ - 3 weekly (4 weekly in OCTOBER)
BOD - 4 weekly (reduces to 3 weekly from JUNE)
BOH - 4 weekly (reduces to 3 weekly from JUNE)
BTS - 2 weekly
CRL - 9 weekly (reduces to 8 weekly from JUNE)
OTP - 2 weekly
BUD - 6 weekly
CPH - 9 weekly (reduces to 8 weekly from JUNE - 9th flight shows as sold out)
CFU - 1 weekly
ORK - 7 weekly
DUB - 31 weekly (reduces to 29 weekly from JUNE)
NRN - 6 weekly
EIN - 2 weekly
FAO - 5 weekly
FUE - 2 weekly
GDN - 5 weekly
LPA - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
GOT - 2 weekly
HAM - 4 weekly (reduces to 3 weekly from JUNE)
IBZ - 2 weekly
KUN - 2 weekly (rises to 3 weekly in OCTOBER)
NOC - 2 weekly
KRK - 5 weekly in APRIL and MAY (reduces to 4 weekly from JUNE)
ACE - 4 weekly
LIS - 3 weekly
STN - 21 weekly
MAD - 5 weekly (reduces to 3 weekly in JUNE)
AGP - 6 weekly
MLA - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
RAK - 2 weekly
MRS - 4 weekly (reduces to 3 weekly in JUNE)
BGY - 6 weekly
NTE - 2 weekly
NAP - 3 weekly
NQY - 2 weekly
PMO - 2 weekly
PMI - 8 weekly (reduced to 7 weekly from JUNE)
BVA - 4 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 5 weekly in JUNE
PSA - 4 weekly
PIS - 2 weekly
OPO - 3 weekly
POZ - 3 weekly (reduced to 2 weekly from JUNE)
PRG - 5 weekly (reduced to 4 weekly from JUNE)
RHO - 2 weekly
RIX - 4 weekly (reduced to 3 weekly from JUNE)
CIA - 6 weekly
SDR - 3 weekly (reduced to 2 weekly from JUNE)
SVQ - 3 weekly
SNN - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
SOF - 3 weekly
TFS - 5 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 6 weekly in JUNE
TIA - 2 weekly
TLS - 2 weekly in APRIL and MAY, rising to 3 weekly in JUNE
VLC - 2 weekly
VCE - 3 weekly
VIE - 3 weekly
WMI - CURRENTLY NOT LOADED (they hold slots for EDI-WAW this winter so may transfer)
WRO - 2 weekly
ZAD - 2 weekly


Summary of Changes

EGC & BIQ new at 2 weekly
PMO loaded at 2 weekly following not being loaded for S24
ALC increase to 7 weekly delayed from JUNE to JULY
BER reduced from 8 to 7 weekly from JUNE
BLQ increase to 4 weekly in OCTOBER
BOD reduced from 4 to 3 weekly from JUNE
BOH reduced from 4 to 3 weekly from JUNE
CRL reduced from 9 to 8 weekly from JUNE (planned 10 weekly CANX)
BUD planned increase to 7 weekly from JUNE CANX
CPH reduced from 10 to 8 weekly from JUNE
DUB reduced from 32 to 31 weekly, drops to 29 weekly from JUNE
NRN planned increase to 7 weekly from JUNE CANX
HAM reduced from 4 to 3 weekly from JUNE
KUN increases to 3 weekly in OCTOBER
KRK reduced from 5 to 4 weekly in JUNE
MAD reduced from 5 to 3 weekly from JUNE
MRS reduced from 4 to 3 weekly from JUNE
PMI reduced from 8 to 7 weekly from JUNE
POZ increased from 2 to 3 weekly in APRIL and MAY
PRG reduced from 5 to 4 weekly from JUNE
RIX reduced from 4 to 3 weekly from JUNE
CIA reduced from 7 to 6 weekly
SDR increased from 2 to 3 weekly in APRIL and MAY
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Old 26th Jan 2024, 22:04
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Startup carrier Ecojet hiring ATR crew for an EDI base. Targeting a Q2 launch date
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 09:28
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
Startup carrier Ecojet hiring ATR crew for an EDI base. Targeting a Q2 launch date
First Electric props, then Twin Otters, then Dash8s and now ATR… I smell a Global Airways…
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 10:01
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
First Electric props, then Twin Otters, then Dash8s and now ATR… I smell a Global Airways…
And a distinct smell of Kerosene...
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 11:33
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
First Electric props, then Twin Otters, then Dash8s and now ATR… I smell a Global Airways…
I'm not so sure that the plan has changed at all. This looks like a "genuine" commitment - https://zeroavia.com/ecojet/
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 12:56
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Where exactly are these jobs advertised?
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 12:58
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Originally Posted by GoEDI
Where exactly are these jobs advertised?
On their LinkedIn page IIRC
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 13:24
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
Startup carrier Ecojet hiring ATR crew for an EDI base. Targeting a Q2 launch date
Have they secured the slots for EDI- SOU to take on Loganair?
Are they launching with Twin Otter or ATR42? (Conventional fuel to then convert when engines are available)
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 13:29
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
Have they secured the slots for EDI- SOU to take on Loganair?
Are they launching with Twin Otter or ATR42? (Conventional fuel to then convert when engines are available)
No AOC yet so no word on slots. Adverts are only for the ATR 72 so maybe DHC6s will only be when Zeroavia conversions are up and running?
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 13:31
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Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels
On their LinkedIn page IIRC
Thanks. Believe it when I see it...
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
First Electric props, then Twin Otters, then Dash8s and now ATR… I smell a Global Airways…
No change to what they originally stated that they would have a mix of twotters and a 70 seater a/c type, first choice was DH8 but have opted for ATR72 presumably because they're still being made and you can get parts for them. The power trains have been committed to through ZeroAvia and they are recruiting a start-up team and have now moved on to crew recruitment. Quite a different approach to Global who have lots of advisors and no real staff plus an aspiration to take Amex and serve Laurent Perrier to their passengers......
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I'm guessing that they have also hired someone in Revenue Management then

I am really baffled by this one. EcoJet. It's no more "eco" than anyone else flying ATR72s with plans to transition to hydrogen power via either the ZeroAvia or Universal Hydrogen programmes - there are many. And it's not a "jet". Isn't this rather like British Airways painting "American SpaceRocket" on the side of its aeroplanes - it's neither American nor a space rocket?
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Potentially new changes to Edinburgh and Glasgow airport air routes.

Major changes to Scottish air routes to be unveiled by Edinburgh and Glasgow airports

https://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...rports-4494958

The next step towards Scotland leading the UK in the biggest changes to its airspace for 70 years is launched this week with views being sought on a move towards “quicker, quieter and cleaner” flights.

It comes as part of the countdown to detailed proposals being unveiled by Edinburgh and Glasgow airports, which are expected to include plans for shorter journeys to and from London by re-routing aircraft along the east coast.

The move is aimed at creating more direct routes between airports to cut delays, noise and emissions. Many routes were established in the 1950s, based on pilots being guided by a series of ground-based beacons that were often not the shortest. They also involved routes converging at certain points, causing congestion.

Detailed design options are being worked up by Scotland’s two busiest airports, but their complexity has delayed publication for up to a year until late 2024.

The body overseeing the process for the UK Government will on Monday embark on a “public engagement exercise” in Scotland ahead of publishing a masterplan for the project. This is designed to help people understand the process.

The Airspace Change Organising Group (ACOG) said it would focus on airspace in and around Edinburgh and Glasgow airports below 7,000ft. Separate changes are planned for higher-level airspace by air traffic control firm National Air Traffic Services.

Scotland is in the vanguard of the changes, which will be repeated in three areas covering the rest of the UK.

ACOG head Mark Swan told The Scotsman: "I suspect all eyes will be on Scotland to see how this plays out over the coming months. This is a big signposting exercise, preparing the ground so people can be really well informed as to how best to have their voice when it comes to the consultations that the airports are in charge of.

"If we want increased capacity, flight efficiency, and quicker, quieter, cleaner journeys and reduced delays, this has to happen. Otherwise people just won’t get the flights they want.”

Mr Swan said if nothing was done, by 2040 one in five flights would be delayed by more than 45 minutes.

An ACOG spokesperson said feedback from three focus groups it had established in Scotland showed most people felt there would be an increase in flying in the future, but were concerned airspace was reaching capacity. There were also worries about the impact of delays on tourism.

The spokesperson said: "Around 80 per cent said airspace modernisation was a good thing to do for Scotland. There was broad support for why we need to do this and the potential to reduce emissions per flight because of more direct routings.”

A spokesman for Edinburgh Airport said: “We’re fully engaged in the process to modernise the skies above the airport and we will take a range of options through a public consultation later this year. This will help shape our final proposal.

“By working closely with our Scottish cluster partners Glasgow Airport and NATS, we’ve been able to identify changes to airspace infrastructure that will meet our criteria of modernisation whilst reducing the noise and carbon impact of flight paths across central Scotland.”
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Any more info on ecojet

What variant of the ATR72 will it be.
Is it just Edinburgh - Southampton - Edinburgh, is that the only route proposed so far.
Just wondering 🤔
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Potentially new changes to Edinburgh and Glasgow airport air routes.

Major changes to Scottish air routes to be unveiled by Edinburgh and Glasgow airports

https://www.scotsman.com/news/transp...rports-4494958
Pre early 1993, Southbound departures off 05 always turned right, now they're flight planned left into a climb to the West on the NORBO SID before turning South. Basically it's like a giant one way roundabout as GLA and EDI traffic was getting in each others way by 1992. I am not sure it ever worked efficiently since then but ISTBC. Of course you get a right turn if traffic is light and Scottish say yes.
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Pre early 1993, Southbound departures off 05 always turned right, now they're flight planned left into a climb to the West on the NORBO SID before turning South. Basically it's like a giant one way roundabout as GLA and EDI traffic was getting in each others way by 1992. I am not sure it ever worked efficiently since then but ISTBC. Of course you get a right turn if traffic is light and Scottish say yes.
Back to Edinburgh, I've often wondered why southbound departures off 24 do a short swerve to the right after take off, then a turn to the left a few miles on. Any ideas?
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