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Old 10th Jan 2024, 12:56
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Originally Posted by ld0595
How much more capacity does the terminal have to accommodate extra widebodies? It's absolutely rammed in the summer - especially morning to early afternoon which is presumably when AA would arrive and leave. EK would be easier if they took an evening slot I suppose.
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 13:46
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I was in and out of Lisbon last month, and it's worth mentioning that although they're bigger than EDI but have the same problems of long haul peak creating pain points for parking. And they bus, every day. There's about 6 contact gates for heavies 141-146 and the rest is Schengen gates for narrow bodies, and LIS has waay more long haul than EDI with TAP having a based fleet of A330s. They also have Air Canada, American, Delta, United, Etihad and Emirates. The US airlines seem to do their fair share of bussing, they have to, it is what it is and it's not the end of the world and no one's holiday is ruined. And this was off peak December, it is of couse way busier in summer.
So is there really an ROI to do what we'd all love to see, or should they be more realistic and work around the pain points with some decent remote gates and a well oiled bussing machine?
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 15:17
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Originally Posted by NotanAVGeek
Heard a rumour of a June start for EK & AA, I say rumour as I don’t want to sound silly if it’s not true. But a friend who is quite reliable within the handling agent has advised me.

Would be good if it does come to fruition but I’d have thought they’d be on sale by now if that was the case.
EK I could see happen, although I would have thought that getting the 2nd flight at GLA would be priority for them though?

AA would be a surprise. I thought the general consensus was that AA didn't have the right sized plane for EDI and would have to wait until the A321XLR before considering to launch flights again to PHL. There was a rumour that someone posted that DFW might launch. I suppose if AA have done their homework and have a spare 787 to launch the route (as this is the only aircraft in AA's current fleet that you would imagine to be feasible to fly to EDI), that could happen? it would certainly be a unique differentiator from the US carriers who primarily fly to East coast destinations. Also it would be feeding into AA's huge home hub.

We'll find out enough if either or both of these airlines return this summer.

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Old 10th Jan 2024, 16:53
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EK I could see happen, although I would have thought that getting the 2nd flight at GLA would be priority for them though?

AA would be a surprise. I thought the general consensus was that AA didn't have the right sized plane for EDI and would have to wait until the A321XLR before considering to launch flights again to PHL. There was a rumour that someone posted that DFW might launch. I suppose if AA have done their homework and have a spare 787 to launch the route (as this is the only aircraft in AA's current fleet that you would imagine to be feasible to fly to EDI), that could happen? it would certainly be a unique differentiator from the US carriers who primarily fly to East coast destinations. Also it would be feeding into AA's huge home hub.

We'll find out enough if either or both of these airlines return this summer.
Is their a bit of “cat and mouse” going on here? Qatar hold slots for a 3 x daily service. They haven’t confirmed this to date as far as I’m aware. Are they waiting to see if EK confirm a resumption from EDI before making a firm decision re the third service? Demand by all accounts remains very strong to/from EDI. However, would up to 4 x wide-body daily departures/arrivals be over-kill? Add to this TK who continue to perform very strongly. The last few days alone, inbound flights from IST have been or are full. The PIA code-share I’m told is drawing in valuable business from that part of the world.
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TK also have secured rights for a lot of flights to several Australian cities
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 20:54
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TK also have secured rights for a lot of flights to several Australian cities
Though the appeal of two stops will be minimal as I understand they will not be direct from IST to eg MEL with an additional stop.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 01:15
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Was led to believe the EK resumption should it happen be a 7 hour turnaround. 1905 departure.

Perhaps it’d occupy the same stand Hainan has in the morning for a long period of time.

I know stand 12 can be used but QR have refused that in the past and would rather hold another 20-30 min for a better stand.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 07:57
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Those are the timings which mysteriously appeared on the EDI arrival and departure pages every day last week (post #2053)
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 08:41
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New Owner

Speculation of course, but could EDI have a Spanish owner in the near future?



https://www.reuters.com/markets/deal...ts-2024-01-11/
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 10:28
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Though the appeal of two stops will be minimal as I understand they will not be direct from IST to eg MEL with an additional stop.
it’s not that long ago that two stops to Oz was considered state of the art (perhaps the younger posters on here don’t remember that). If TK offered a good deal on far east stop overs their offer could be competitive, at least to the leisure market.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 13:41
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Originally Posted by Planeraz
New Owner

Speculation of course, but could EDI have a Spanish owner in the near future?



https://www.reuters.com/markets/deal...ts-2024-01-11/
The source article for Reuters' article is below (in Spanish):
​​​​https://www.expansion.com/empresas/t...5078b458e.html

The key part says:

​​​​​​Según explican fuentes que participan en el proceso de venta, la estrategia de GIP consiste en unas negociaciones bilaterales con uno de los principales operadores aeroportuarios mundiales, que no es Aena. En 2018, GIP ya vendió una participación mayoritaria de Gatwick, el segundo aeropuerto de Londres, a la francesa Vinci, aunque hoy mantiene una pequeña participación.Las conversaciones actuales sobre Edimburgo deberían terminar este mismo enero y la empresa española entraría en liza en el caso de que fracasara el proceso abierto.
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​​​​​​My Spanish is poor to non-existent, but I think that says something along the lines of GIP is currently having bilateral discussions with one of the world's major airport operators (not Aena) about the sale of Edinburgh. Those discussions should end at the end of this month and Aena will then enter the process should the current talks fail.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 14:32
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
The source article for Reuters' article is below (in Spanish):
​​​​https://www.expansion.com/empresas/t...5078b458e.html

The key part says:


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​​​​​​My Spanish is poor to non-existent, but I think that says something along the lines of GIP is currently having bilateral discussions with one of the world's major airport operators (not Aena) about the sale of Edinburgh. Those discussions should end at the end of this month and Aena will then enter the process should the current talks fail.
Speculation really is the key word here isn’t it? Vinci is the name that comes to mind when thinking about possible interested parties. Aena is the largest airport owner/operator in the world, so it could be a waiting game on their part. Rumoured Qatari interest also to bear in mind. If the articles are to be believed, a sale could go through fairly quickly, subject to the normal due diligence.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 15:48
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Originally Posted by NotanAVGeek
Was led to believe the EK resumption should it happen be a 7 hour turnaround. 1905 departure.

Perhaps it’d occupy the same stand Hainan has in the morning for a long period of time.

I know stand 12 can be used but QR have refused that in the past and would rather hold another 20-30 min for a better stand.
They have held slots for that schedule for the past 2 or 3 seasons now, it is just a carbon copy of what they used to operate before they stopped. I don't know what they're up to... slot sitting at DXB perhaps. Who knows if they are any closer to actually operating them this year, although I'm sure it'll happen at some point.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 17:10
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if it was a toss up between having EK or Hainan, I think I know who I would have been courting…
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I believe that Aena operates Luton on behalf of the Council.

What worries me about about any takeover is that the purchaser will spend so much buying it that they won't have any money left to build anything more than small enhancements.
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Originally Posted by inOban
I believe that Aena operates Luton on behalf of the Council.

What worries me about about any takeover is that the purchaser will spend so much buying it that they won't have any money left to build anything more than small enhancements.
If a business is spending £2.5 Billion on an asset rest assured they will have done due diligence and multiple site visits and inspections, especially if they are a current airport operator.
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 10:29
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To an extent that will be holding the price down. If infrastructure was well built and had the potential to easily handle any expansion, you'd get a much higher price for the airport. Anyone looking to buy will be put off by how much they would need to invest to boost flights and recoup their investment.
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 10:47
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One would hope so but the experience of modern, debt-financed multinational companies is not encouraging. They will be looking for quick income to pay the interest on their borrowings.
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From a business/profit point of view, any new owner, it goes without saying, would look to grow the business, streamline operations and maximise profits. In the case of EDI, the business is probably ticking along quite nicely right now. Pax number growing again and major airlines expanding services. The current owners however either don’t want to invest any more substantial amounts of cash or they don’t have the resources required. They clearly are looking to cash out as soon as possible. Expanding or adding to the existing long haul portfolio is key in my opinion. The current CEO in a very recent interview said as much. A couple of very large and as yet largely un-tapped markets exist. These being the Indian sub continent and Chinese/Asian markets. This leads again to the current infrastructure. Investment of high hundreds of millions or more would be required to create genuine expansion. Just adding bits and pieces over a decade for example to the current terminal isn’t good enough. Attracting high end retailers, like you see in major airports would generate valuable income. A new owner with genuine intentions to expand or grow the business will recognise this. Vinci have been mentioned along with Aena. They, reportedly are sitting behind the scenes waiting to see what/if anything transpires with the reported ongoing negotiations with another party. A Qatari based org is also rumoured to be interested in the business. Would be great news for QR. Guaranteed mates landing/operations rates…
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