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Just incredible 
I'm amazed how there have been multiple instances where myself and others in this thread have posed the question "who's next?" and hours later, we get great news like this! Extraordinary and great news for LGW. Hopefully more will come. I bet anyone that MAG at STN aren't happy with airlines flocking to LGW while they've been trying to diversity their airline offering.
I'm amazed how there have been multiple instances where myself and others in this thread have posed the question "who's next?" and hours later, we get great news like this! Extraordinary and great news for LGW. Hopefully more will come. I bet anyone that MAG at STN aren't happy with airlines flocking to LGW while they've been trying to diversity their airline offering.Well I had previously mentioned that Air China from Beijing was going to be the next announcement for LGW but I wasn't expecting it so soon after I had posted it.
We always appreciate good news LGW related and I'm sure we can both look forward to reading about the next airline announcements regarding London Gatwick.
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A very nice addition to Gatwick Swiss have an excellent reputation for being one of the best European airlines; can't wait to see their A220 at LGW soon.
In keeping in the spirit following a new airline/route launch at LGW, it's time for the question on everyone's minds: Who (realistically) will be next?
Swiss have an excellent reputation for being one of the best European airlines; can't wait to see their A220 at LGW soon.In keeping in the spirit following a new airline/route launch at LGW, it's time for the question on everyone's minds: Who (realistically) will be next?
Hope Swiss can get another morning slot pair to make their new LGW-ZRH a proper feeder to maximise onward connections at ZRH, both outbound and inbound (which usually tend to be early morning arrivals for most European long-haul flight connections). Interestingly in this context, according to ACL's most recent interim slot report for LGW for summer 2024, Swiss had actually applied for two daily slot pairs to allow them to serve this route both in the morning and the evening. But they were not successful in getting any of the slots for which they had originally applied. So, I wonder where these slots came from. I think another airline that succeeded in getting the slots at Gatwick for which they had applied must have decided not to take them and to return them to the slot pool for reallocation to Swiss.
Will we see ITA Airways, who have actually been successful in getting the two daily slot pairs for which they had applied, launch LGW-FCO next?
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No spare slots at AMS so never going to happen.
Never going to happen with such "gusto."
But KLM, along with their fellow Sky Team members, have an extremely large slot portfolio at Amsterdam if indeed KLM ever wanted to resume their own AMS-LGW service.
I'm not saying that KLM would or would not resume their own AMS-LGW service but to use "Never going to happen" is like someone posting on this particular thread this time last year suggesting that Singapore Airlines could be a possible candidate for LGW. Well it happened to everyone's surprise.
At the end of the day, "Never going to happen" is a baseless comment. It reminds me of a friend of mine who in late February 2022 just before Russia illegally invaded Ukraine. He was adamant when he said to me, "Never going to happen. Well it happened, but I wasn't surprised.
And it would not surprise me at all if at some point in the future KLM did indeed resume their own AMS-LGW service. But in saying that I'm sure KLM would have better opportunities to use any slots made available to them at AMS rather than them resuming service to LGW.
But KLM, along with their fellow Sky Team members, have an extremely large slot portfolio at Amsterdam if indeed KLM ever wanted to resume their own AMS-LGW service.
I'm not saying that KLM would or would not resume their own AMS-LGW service but to use "Never going to happen" is like someone posting on this particular thread this time last year suggesting that Singapore Airlines could be a possible candidate for LGW. Well it happened to everyone's surprise.
At the end of the day, "Never going to happen" is a baseless comment. It reminds me of a friend of mine who in late February 2022 just before Russia illegally invaded Ukraine. He was adamant when he said to me, "Never going to happen. Well it happened, but I wasn't surprised.
And it would not surprise me at all if at some point in the future KLM did indeed resume their own AMS-LGW service. But in saying that I'm sure KLM would have better opportunities to use any slots made available to them at AMS rather than them resuming service to LGW.
The Dutch House of Representatives have just voted for Lelystad never to have commercial passenger airline flights. No, not legally binding, but any Govt minister going against this in the next few years will need to be brave and courageous.
That means all the O&D beach flights (including Transavia) are stuck at AMS. And no, RTM and EIN are not going to be expanding significantly any time soon. All this, along with the Dutch desire to reduce the number of flights at AMS is going to put strong pressure on KLM to maximise the value of each slot at AMS. Think how BA was acting with LHR slots 30 years ago.
There is also the issue of competitors Easyjet and BA Euroflyer having relatively low costs with A320 aircraft on LGW-AMS.
If KL starts LGW-AMS, it is unlikely to be with regular use of Embraer Cityhopper aircraft. It will need to be using aircraft with at least 150 seats to avoid red ink.
That means all the O&D beach flights (including Transavia) are stuck at AMS. And no, RTM and EIN are not going to be expanding significantly any time soon. All this, along with the Dutch desire to reduce the number of flights at AMS is going to put strong pressure on KLM to maximise the value of each slot at AMS. Think how BA was acting with LHR slots 30 years ago.
There is also the issue of competitors Easyjet and BA Euroflyer having relatively low costs with A320 aircraft on LGW-AMS.
If KL starts LGW-AMS, it is unlikely to be with regular use of Embraer Cityhopper aircraft. It will need to be using aircraft with at least 150 seats to avoid red ink.
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I'm sure once 321s start to arrive they will be put to use on LHR.
The way slots are at AMS, if they do get LGW slots, that will put pressure on the likes of SEN and other regional routes to make serious money or be gone!
The way slots are at AMS, if they do get LGW slots, that will put pressure on the likes of SEN and other regional routes to make serious money or be gone!
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Great news indeed my good friend and everytime that there is good news I always think of you.
Well I had previously mentioned that Air China from Beijing was going to be the next announcement for LGW but I wasn't expecting it so soon after I had posted it.
We always appreciate good news LGW related and I'm sure we can both look forward to reading about the next airline announcements regarding London Gatwick.
Who's next?
Well I had previously mentioned that Air China from Beijing was going to be the next announcement for LGW but I wasn't expecting it so soon after I had posted it.
We always appreciate good news LGW related and I'm sure we can both look forward to reading about the next airline announcements regarding London Gatwick.
Who's next?
Regarding LGW, they (AH management) said they want to launch daily flights from / to ALG with Boeing 737-800s, now slated to start on 31 March (the first day of the northern hemisphere 2024 summer timetable period). In this connection, Simple Flying quoted an oblique AH management statement at their recent 2023 results press conference that negotiations were still ongoing. I take that to mean negotiations with the UK government about amending the UK-Algeria bilateral ASA. So, we could be seeing AH serve LGW on a regular basis during summer 2024 after all (and, if it happens, probably beyond, as well).
Another thing I noticed recently is that for the last 10 days or so on the Gatwick live flight arrivals and departures page a daily Air Peace flight has been listed, with a 6:20 am scheduled arrival time (flight no. P4 7578) and a 9:25 am scheduled departure time (flight no. P4 7579). While the flight status currently shows as "cancelled" and "enquire airline", respectively, similar scheduled flight arrival and departure flight displays on the Gatwick website in the case of both China Southern and Air Mauritius - with the flight status always showing as "cancelled" / "enquire airline" ahead of the official launch confirmation / date have turned out to be correct (foreshadowing what was eventually going to happen). So, could we see Air Peace at Gatwick after all, despite that airline's supposed owner's bluster that launching a regular scheduled LOS-LON service would only happen if the airline is able to get slots at LHR? If it does happen - P4 coming to LGW, I hope it doesn't end like it always did in recent years when a Nigerian airline launched scheduled service to London: the airline going bust not long after the launch date, as was most recently the case when Arik Air, who b.t.w. had succeeded in getting LHR slots, was declared bankrupt (by a Nigerian court I believe), with Portuguese ACMI operator Hifly (from whom Arik had leased the A340-500 plying LOS-LHR on a daily year -round basis) reposessing their aircraft and suing Arik for non-paynent of the lease.
On a different (but somwhat related) note, I also believe that Air Peace and its controversial owner are also behind the opposition Ethiopian-backed Nigeria Air currently faces in gaining the relevant Nigerian authorities' required approvals to launch as Nigeria's new designated flag carrier.
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14 December 2023 was the date that was "supposed" to be the airlines first flight from Luanda. No flights have appeared at London Gatwick and none whatsoever have shown on flightradar. No direct flights are available to book on the TAAG Angola Airlines website. No announcement or anything regarding London Gatwick on the airlines website.
I'm keeping an open mind regarding TAAG Angola Airlines appearing at London Gatwick anytime in the near future, especially with their limited operations regarding long haul aircraft.
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Taag and air peace
I agree with you about keeping an open mind because I’m exactly the same just saying what I’m seeing.
You can disagree with me but Air peace announcement could happen anytime, very close imo. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the next one to announce.
You can disagree with me but Air peace announcement could happen anytime, very close imo. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the next one to announce.
I'm not going to spell it out for you as the recent information falls flat in your face regarding your Air Peace arguments and London Gatwick.
Ch-aviation.com has a very recent article that will put you in a better position to actually understand the situation. It's far from what you are suggesting. Enthusiasm is one thing but reality is a completely different story.
But then again you do have an X account where you share all of the information except for here on pprune. See post 5013.
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Air peace is done all they need is the slots and if they Norse are involved then 100 percent Gatwick will work with Air peace and ACL to get the slots they need because Gatwick love Norse.
I’ve literally been told this by people that work within Gatwick and if you refuse to believe it then that’s fine.
I’ve literally been told this by people that work within Gatwick and if you refuse to believe it then that’s fine.
Air peace is done all they need is the slots and if they Norse are involved then 100 percent Gatwick will work with Air peace and ACL to get the slots they need because Gatwick love Norse.
I’ve literally been told this by people that work within Gatwick and if you refuse to believe it then that’s fine.
I’ve literally been told this by people that work within Gatwick and if you refuse to believe it then that’s fine.
"Gatwick love Norse", really!
What type of statement is that. Your enthusiasm is running on full speed. To be fair that's quite a ridiculous thing to type 🙄
London Gatwick Airport have no say when it comes to slot allocation. ACL are responsible for slot allocations.
As an incumbent airline at London Gatwick Airport Norse UK would more likely likely and inevitably be allocated any requested slots.
This has absolutely nothing to do with your ridiculous suggestion that London Gatwick "loves" Norse.
Why would London Gatwick love a particular airline?
Especially an airline that continously chops and changes their schedule on a regular basis.
I'm not sure of your age but to say something like Gatwick "loves" Norse is quite an immature thing to say. Even more so when you start a sentence with "they do love Norse".
"Not exactly rocket science is it". I'm lost with words with that comment.
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The TAAG and Air Peace flights appear in the Gatwick system because both have slots in the W23 season. As has been stated often before, the fact that an operator holds slots doesn't mean the flights will take place (Omni Blu being another recent example). Air Peace could indeed start at any time - there are no other legal steps to overcome, but as flights are still not for sale it seems unlikely that they will.
As my earlier question didn't get a repsonse, what would the likes of Air Peace and TAAG add to the bottom line at Gatwick? If I was a handling agent I wouln't touch them with a barge pole. And it shows what position Norse are in if they are considering such a deal.
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This is a great thread, let's keep it that way As far as some of the rumours go, given the success LGW has had last year in bringing in new carriers to the airport, including names that we never thought would consider LGW (I'm thinking Singapore Airlines as a key example), nothing would surprise me anymore in terms of announcements this year, which may of course feature some of those airlines that have already been discussed and rumoured in this thread. I'm not saying that all will, but I'd vouch that at least some will feature. The situation at LHR RE. slot limitations and the never ending debate of the third runway is unlikely to change in the mid-long term future, which is why we are now seeing many carriers beginning to take a fresh look at LGW as an alternative to LHR. So I've no doubt whatsoever that LGW is set for another exciting year, and that we will continue to see further announcements over the coming year.
I suspect the pricing regime at LHR is also driving traffic to LGW, you can't even fly an A321 CEO out of LHR economically anymore due to the new pricing regime, but somehow A319s are fine, (same engines!)
This thread's been hijacked by a schoolboy with a Galley FM connection, and we all know that staff gossip is wildly entertaining and just as wrong most of the time.
This thread's been hijacked by a schoolboy with a Galley FM connection, and we all know that staff gossip is wildly entertaining and just as wrong most of the time.
SkyAlps to fly Gatwick-Bolzano 2x weekly from 17 April
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https://italiavola.com/2024/02/06/sk...a-meta-aprile/