Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Gatwick-3

Old 28th Dec 2023, 12:48
  #1421 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Essex
Posts: 1,472
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by True Blue
With Lgw adding and seeking to add more operators offering business class, I think Lgw management would need to take a closer look at the offerings from the various lounges that operate there. I have been through most(not BA) and have been far from impressed on cleanliness, quality of food and maintenance of toilet areas etc. If Lgw want to send out a message that they can compete with Lhr, especially to airlines that also operate from Lhr, this is an area that needs improvement.
If you think LGW is bad in that regard take a long hard look at STN where MAG will often claim to have the same aspirations.
FRatSTN is online now  
Old 28th Dec 2023, 17:12
  #1422 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London
Age: 42
Posts: 1,558
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
The departures area of LHR is considered to be an area outside the UK... to reach landside, one has to show a passport or your face has to match a photo taken when you entered airside.

At LGW, is this the same, or is the departures area considered to be filled with people who have already entered the UK ?
My guess is that LGW is treated differently from LHR... but as someone who lives in London I've never changed between 2 flights at LGW and never seen the path taken by passengers with an onward (self-)connection
It was the same as LHR pre COVID with a photo taken of domestic passengers and no access to domestic flying without a match. I don't believe it was ever re-activated after COVID though.
Skipness One Foxtrot is online now  
Old 28th Dec 2023, 18:19
  #1423 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: London, UK
Posts: 698
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by True Blue
With Lgw adding and seeking to add more operators offering business class, I think Lgw management would need to take a closer look at the offerings from the various lounges that operate there. I have been through most(not BA) and have been far from impressed on cleanliness, quality of food and maintenance of toilet areas etc. If Lgw want to send out a message that they can compete with Lhr, especially to airlines that also operate from Lhr, this is an area that needs improvement.
The Emirates Lounge at LGW is very nice but I agree that the “pay to enter” lounges are a bit naff.

Last edited by willy wombat; 28th Dec 2023 at 18:20. Reason: Punctuation
willy wombat is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2023, 18:57
  #1424 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Sussex
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sod the lounges, basic services need upgrading badly! I've been working at LGW for nearly 10 years but its things like the public toilets in the south terminal are horrible! My local cinema as much nicer modern toilets.
7Three7Specialist is offline  
Old 28th Dec 2023, 23:19
  #1425 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LV
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
and what did they say when you made formal constructive complaint on said-latrines?
CabinCrewe is offline  
Old 30th Dec 2023, 20:49
  #1426 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ballymena
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Azerbaijan has their Lgw flights on sale now, 3 per week with A320. Starting 31.03.24.

Who will be next?
True Blue is online now  
Old 8th Jan 2024, 17:12
  #1427 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,675
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
Atlantic Airways have (finally) put their route to Vagar in the Faroe Islands on sale, starting 1 June 2024
https://italiavola.com/2024/01/08/at...e-faroe-vagar/
davidjohnson6 is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2024, 19:19
  #1428 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2023
Location: Crawley, West Sussex
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re 3 EZY aircraft at BHX making a greater contribution than LGW long-haul additions

New long-haul routes coming to LGW do not only deliver more passengers but also more freight (when operated by widebodies). This isn't the case with short-haul LCC services as the narrowbodies used to operate them not only have negligible cargo space but short-haul LCCs usually don't bother about cargo at all as it complicates their business model, i.e., the costs far outweigh the benefits, not only in terms of additional costs incurred for providing / paying for a freight handling service but also in terms of extending tight turns to load / unload freight and thereby negatively affecting aircraft utilisation.

Last edited by FlyGatwick; 14th Jan 2024 at 19:50.
FlyGatwick is offline  
Old 14th Jan 2024, 19:46
  #1429 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2023
Location: Crawley, West Sussex
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by JW95
Given the extraordinary success LGW has had in attracting new airlines to the airport this year, and with the very nice surprise of SQ coming to LGW for the first time next year, the question remains: Who do people think will be next to join?
A few highlights from ACL's LGW preliminary slot allocations for summer 2024:

ITA Airways FCO double daily (NEW)

Play KEF daily (NEW)

Qatar Airways DOH two additional daily frequencies (rebuilding frequencies to pre-Covid level: three daily)

Spicejet DEL daily (potentially NEW as the airline doesn't have any suitable long-haul aircraft, such as the A330 / 340 or 787 nor any pilots qualified to fly them, so would have to rely on another ACMI operator like Air Belgium, Highfly, Titan or Wamos if it really wants to launch this route (I recall from memory that this is what they did to operate a limited no. of flights between DEL and LHR under the so-called bubble flight arrangements between the UK and India during the pandemic.)

Sri Lankan CMB approx 2×weekly (1st return to LGW in over 30 yrs)

Additional frequencies also for Air India to add another 6 weekly flights from / to AMD, ATQ, COK and GOX

B6 BOS 1 daily (additional to the already existing daily service, effectively doubling the existing frequency from 1 to 2 daily)

BA ACC 1 weekly (expanding total weekly frequencies from 3 to 4)

TK IST 3 weekly (expanding existing weekly frequencies from 21 to 24, with 3 daily on Mon & Thu, 2 daily on Tue and 4 daily on Wed, Fri, Sat & Sun)

Also additional frequencies for big 3 Chinese state-owned airlines (CA / CZ / MU) from / to various points in China

Which of the potential new Gatwick airlines that have been successful in being awarded slots at the airport for summer 2024, are we likely to see making their Gatwick debut?

In my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if those listed below actually using their newly awarded slots:

ATI Airways

Play

Sri Lankan Airlines

Spicejet (more likely now than I initially thought as the airline seems to have arrested its downward spiral, as a result of a recent, major capital infusion by one of the original co- founders of Spicejet rival Indigo, who has recently acquired a stake in the airline with a firm view of turning around its flagging financial performance of recent years to enable it to look to the future with confidence again and to firm up new, major expansion plans)

It'd be nice to see as many of these tails at LGW as possible.
FlyGatwick is offline  
Old 17th Jan 2024, 20:47
  #1430 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ballymena
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have been reading the TAAG Angola Airlines may be going through some changes. Might those changes mean that the Lgw service never starts or is seriously delayed?
True Blue is online now  
Old 18th Jan 2024, 00:20
  #1431 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Southampton
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by True Blue
I have been reading the TAAG Angola Airlines may be going through some changes. Might those changes mean that the Lgw service never starts or is seriously delayed?
Some strange goings on with TAAG Angola Airlines recently.

A couple of weeks ago, the airline announced that Madrid would cease being a destination on the airline's network. Only last week, the airline announced that Madrid would resume again four months after it was stopped.

Several months ago, TAAG Angola Airlines announced LGW with a December 2023 launch, but it never materialised.

I'm also very curious if TAAG Angola Airlines' planned service to LGW will be seriously delayed or, at the worst, will it ever start.
Sotonsean is offline  
Old 18th Jan 2024, 10:55
  #1432 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Italy
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Just returned to London with CX via HKG. An excellent set of flights overall, notwithstanding a series of delays when I flew LHR-HKG a few weeks ago. Definitely preferred the A351 on CX238 versus the 77W (CX251)- as others have experienced and commented previously, the A350 feels much more spacious and certainly quieter over the 77W, so I'm glad I got the chance to fly on it before LHR flights are fully reverted to the 777 come March.

I am very interested to see what CX plan (if anything) RE. capacity in London now that this route is becoming busier and in higher demand. While in transit in HKG yesterday, both my flight (CX251) and CX255 were completely full and the ground staff mentioned that this is common now, with overbooking also occurring on the two overnight flights to London. Luggage space on board during boarding was also limited, with cabin crew having to check many bags into the hold. I'm wondering wether CX will try and add further capacity to LHR (unlikely due to slot availability) or reopen LGW this year, as it seems like more capacity is needed?
JW95 is offline  
Old 18th Jan 2024, 10:58
  #1433 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Italy
Posts: 375
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by FlyGatwick
A few highlights from ACL's LGW preliminary slot allocations for summer 2024:

ITA Airways FCO double daily (NEW)

Play KEF daily (NEW)

Qatar Airways DOH two additional daily frequencies (rebuilding frequencies to pre-Covid level: three daily)

Spicejet DEL daily (potentially NEW as the airline doesn't have any suitable long-haul aircraft, such as the A330 / 340 or 787 nor any pilots qualified to fly them, so would have to rely on another ACMI operator like Air Belgium, Highfly, Titan or Wamos if it really wants to launch this route (I recall from memory that this is what they did to operate a limited no. of flights between DEL and LHR under the so-called bubble flight arrangements between the UK and India during the pandemic.)

Sri Lankan CMB approx 2×weekly (1st return to LGW in over 30 yrs)

Additional frequencies also for Air India to add another 6 weekly flights from / to AMD, ATQ, COK and GOX

B6 BOS 1 daily (additional to the already existing daily service, effectively doubling the existing frequency from 1 to 2 daily)

BA ACC 1 weekly (expanding total weekly frequencies from 3 to 4)

TK IST 3 weekly (expanding existing weekly frequencies from 21 to 24, with 3 daily on Mon & Thu, 2 daily on Tue and 4 daily on Wed, Fri, Sat & Sun)

Also additional frequencies for big 3 Chinese state-owned airlines (CA / CZ / MU) from / to various points in China

Which of the potential new Gatwick airlines that have been successful in being awarded slots at the airport for summer 2024, are we likely to see making their Gatwick debut?

In my opinion, I wouldn't be surprised if those listed below actually using their newly awarded slots:

ATI Airways

Play

Sri Lankan Airlines

Spicejet (more likely now than I initially thought as the airline seems to have arrested its downward spiral, as a result of a recent, major capital infusion by one of the original co- founders of Spicejet rival Indigo, who has recently acquired a stake in the airline with a firm view of turning around its flagging financial performance of recent years to enable it to look to the future with confidence again and to firm up new, major expansion plans)

It'd be nice to see as many of these tails at LGW as possible.
Sri Lankan to Gatwick would be interesting- essentially the same thing as what Air Mauritius did when they left LHR. Unsure what their existing frequency at Heathrow is, but I'm thinking a move to LGW would only happen on the basis that they could increase frequency over what is currently offered at LHR.

RE. Play- I wonder if this would be in addition to, or a replacement of their STN service?
JW95 is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2024, 14:15
  #1434 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ballymena
Posts: 1,438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I see Ethiopian is going up to 4 per week from June.

Also, EI is pulling out from end of March. Who will pick up those slots, I think 4 daily?
True Blue is online now  
Old 19th Jan 2024, 14:16
  #1435 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Norwich
Posts: 146
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by True Blue
I see Ethiopian is going up to 4 per week from June.

Also, EI is pulling out from end of March. Who will pick up those slots, I think 4 daily?
Think FR might increase services on the news EI is leaving
Markushillman is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2024, 14:22
  #1436 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London
Age: 42
Posts: 1,558
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by True Blue
I see Ethiopian is going up to 4 per week from June.
Also, EI is pulling out from end of March. Who will pick up those slots, I think 4 daily?
Aer Lingus leaving AGAIN? How many times is that now? Was pleased they came back in 2008 with the A320 after leaving when the 146s were retired. I've never been on a quiet DUB-LGW, and unlike long haul passengers who will make the journey to LHR, this will surely cost traffic and market share on their core Dublin-London offering. Or has the move of NOC to LHR meant they no longer feel it necessary?

Last edited by Skipness One Foxtrot; 19th Jan 2024 at 14:34.
Skipness One Foxtrot is online now  
Old 19th Jan 2024, 15:29
  #1437 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: London
Posts: 238
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
There must have been decent connectivity from EI to BA long haul at Gatwick.

Will BA step in, either with EuroFlyer or W patterns from LHR, or is this a lack of joined up thinking at IAG?
nguba is offline  
Old 19th Jan 2024, 21:05
  #1438 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Róisín Dubh
Posts: 1,389
Received 11 Likes on 4 Posts
Reading elsewhere that it was the loss of VIR connections that has killed it for EIN.
Una Due Tfc is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2024, 15:16
  #1439 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Southampton
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
Iraqi Airways

The London Gatwick Airport Wikipedia page is currently showing Iraqi Airways on it's airlines listing.

I've done a lengthy search online to and find any information regarding Iraqi Airways resuming London Gatwick but with no luck.

Iraqi Airways has recently announced a return to Europe with flights to several German airports along with Copenhagen, Denmark. Iraqi Airways are expected to operate these flights with their own aircraft.

With an ever increasing amount of modern aircraft joining the fleet I'm sure that Iraqi Airways would want to expand further into Europe with a resumption of service to London.

Does anyone have any further information regarding a possible resumption of service of Iraqi Airways to London Gatwick.

Last edited by Sotonsean; 20th Jan 2024 at 16:50.
Sotonsean is offline  
Old 20th Jan 2024, 15:41
  #1440 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Iraqi Airways have been saying for ages that they expect to be approved to operate their own aircraft to Europe 'soon'. But as far as I'm aware, they are still included on both the EU and UK Safety List, so are in effect banned. Iraqi Airways flights to Germany and other States in the EU are currently operated by wet-leased aircraft (as they must be with the carrier itself on the Safety List).
Until this changes, there will be no Iraqi Airways operated aircraft allowed on commercial services to the EU (and the UK).
sewushr is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.