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Air Peace CEO agenda
Come September, expect the Air Peace CEO to create a huge fuss about how the treacherous, nasty UK government in cahoots with a conspiracy of foreign airlines wanting to see him fail has mugged him of his non-existent Gatwick slots.
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Norse has confirmed its launching a new route from Gatwick to Cape Town:
Like Virgin Atlantic, the inbound flight to London is a day flight.
Norse Atlantic Airways proudly announces the launch of its newest route connecting London Gatwick and Cape Town, set to commence on October 28th, 2024. With flights operating three times a week on Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday, travellers can now experience the vibrant culture and breathtaking landscapes of Cape Town with ease.
Like Virgin Atlantic, the inbound flight to London is a day flight.
Outbound flights depart London Gatwick at 20.00 and land in Cape Town at 0930 the following morning. Inbound flights depart Cape Town at 11.45 and arrive at London Gatwick at 21.35 the same day.
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BA is also reinstating an IAG link between Gatwick & Dublin from 20 May, as Emerald Airlines will operate a flight for BA up to twice daily..
This is being sold as a BA flight, subcontracted to Emerald Airlines, rather than an EI codeshare.
This is being sold as a BA flight, subcontracted to Emerald Airlines, rather than an EI codeshare.
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Struggle to see the benefit of this, purely other than the stronger brand of BA in the UK / Gatwick area. Otherwise, as an IAG airline, why couldn't Aer Lingus just operate it under their own brand with Emerald Airlines and with a BA codeshare. ???
Exactly, I was going to mention the same thing. Very strange scenario to be honest and something which I don't understand.
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Are Lingus needed to use its own aircraft to ensure full utilisation of their LHR slots that were at risk if not fully used.
The Emerald/BA Dublin flights actually connect well to BA long haul. Do you really think they would not have examined the economics before operating the LGW to Dublin the route?
The Emerald/BA Dublin flights actually connect well to BA long haul. Do you really think they would not have examined the economics before operating the LGW to Dublin the route?
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Are Lingus needed to use its own aircraft to ensure full utilisation of their LHR slots that were at risk if not fully used.
the Emerald/BA Dublin flights actually connect well to BA long haul. Do you really think they would not have examined the economics before operating lgw the route?
the Emerald/BA Dublin flights actually connect well to BA long haul. Do you really think they would not have examined the economics before operating lgw the route?
I rest my case as having read your message I completely understand the reasons behind it.
The Emerald/BA Dublin flights actually connect well to BA long haul. Do you really think they would not have examined the economics before operating the LGW to Dublin the route?
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Are Lingus needed to use its own aircraft to ensure full utilisation of their LHR slots that were at risk if not fully used.
The Emerald/BA Dublin flights actually connect well to BA long haul. Do you really think they would not have examined the economics before operating the LGW to Dublin the route?
The Emerald/BA Dublin flights actually connect well to BA long haul. Do you really think they would not have examined the economics before operating the LGW to Dublin the route?
No one is talking about Aer Lingus using its own aircraft to LHR. We're talking about EI Regional / Emerald Airlines branded planes, clearly with spare availability/capacity for running flights for BA in EI branding. It could have simply been EI Regional operating these flights with a BA codeshare. That's the point we're saying. Why this route had to be any different to others where this happens, we were not sure.
However, Flightrider's comment probably answers it better. So technically confirmed as a slot sitter route, where its pretty cheap to operate and on a cheaper aircraft within the IAG fleet, as well having inside figures of some proven route demand. Presumably, LGW say that BA must use their own flight code as the main operator to satisfy the slot use requirements, regardless of being an IAG airline?
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Aer Lingus would have no shortage of takers if they needed to lease some LHR slots out for a few seasons, there's no need to drop LGW for that surely? LGW-DUB with BA was relatively weak, a B737-500 route from memory, dropped when they were retired. Longevity would be a BA painted ATR, but I suspect not.
There is a degree of historical irony in that suggestion, given that at one time, BA liveried ATRs of CityFlyer Express provided the only Gatwick-Dublin service. Ryanair then came along (1995) and Aer Lingus returned again. The BA service went ATR > RJ100 > 737 > dropped.
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Emerald aren’t an IAG carrier they are an independent business with franchise’s for Aer Lingus and Aer Lingus UK.
They have an ex Indonesian ATR due and they could easily leave that one Euro white and anonymous I suppose.
They have an ex Indonesian ATR due and they could easily leave that one Euro white and anonymous I suppose.
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Not at all. Just lease the slots for a nominal sum and make sure that the carrier operates 80% is enough to satisfy ACL and BA
Being reported elsewhere that China Eastern are adding a 2nd daily LGW-PVG for the summer peak, so 1x B77W LHR-PVG and 2x B77W out of Gatters. The 2nd daily LHR A332 seems to have been winter only, so no summer slots and a move to LGW it seems.
Air Iveria have apparently obtained slots at LGW for 3 weekly flight's. Flights were supposed to commence on the 13 May 2024. Air Iveria are no longer listed on the London Gatwick Wikipedia page.
With no actual website and no further information made available since it was originally announced I wonder if it will actually happen.
According to sources online Air Iveria is supposed to be the new national carrier for Georgia 🇬🇪.
Georgia 🇬🇪 has had a lot of coverage in the mainstream press and travel media over the last few months and the destination has a lot to offer.
Hopefully this planned new route from Tbilisi to London Gatwick actually goes ahead at some point in the future.
Iveria btw is the ancient name for Georgia 🇬🇪
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Does anyone have an further information as regards to the above post?
Air Iveria have apparently obtained slots at LGW for 3 weekly flight's. Flights were supposed to commence on the 13 May 2024. Air Iveria are no longer listed on the London Gatwick Wikipedia page.
With no actual website and no further information made available since it was originally announced I wonder if it will actually happen.
According to sources online Air Iveria is supposed to be the new national carrier for Georgia 🇬🇪.
Georgia 🇬🇪 has had a lot of coverage in the mainstream press and travel media over the last few months and the destination has a lot to offer.
Hopefully this planned new route from Tbilisi to London Gatwick actually goes ahead at some point in the future.
Iveria btw is the ancient name for Georgia 🇬🇪
Air Iveria have apparently obtained slots at LGW for 3 weekly flight's. Flights were supposed to commence on the 13 May 2024. Air Iveria are no longer listed on the London Gatwick Wikipedia page.
With no actual website and no further information made available since it was originally announced I wonder if it will actually happen.
According to sources online Air Iveria is supposed to be the new national carrier for Georgia 🇬🇪.
Georgia 🇬🇪 has had a lot of coverage in the mainstream press and travel media over the last few months and the destination has a lot to offer.
Hopefully this planned new route from Tbilisi to London Gatwick actually goes ahead at some point in the future.
Iveria btw is the ancient name for Georgia 🇬🇪
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Does anyone have an further information as regards to the above post?
Air Iveria have apparently obtained slots at LGW for 3 weekly flight's. Flights were supposed to commence on the 13 May 2024. Air Iveria are no longer listed on the London Gatwick Wikipedia page.
With no actual website and no further information made available since it was originally announced I wonder if it will actually happen.
According to sources online Air Iveria is supposed to be the new national carrier for Georgia 🇬🇪.
Georgia 🇬🇪 has had a lot of coverage in the mainstream press and travel media over the last few months and the destination has a lot to offer.
Hopefully this planned new route from Tbilisi to London Gatwick actually goes ahead at some point in the future.
Iveria btw is the ancient name for Georgia 🇬🇪
Air Iveria have apparently obtained slots at LGW for 3 weekly flight's. Flights were supposed to commence on the 13 May 2024. Air Iveria are no longer listed on the London Gatwick Wikipedia page.
With no actual website and no further information made available since it was originally announced I wonder if it will actually happen.
According to sources online Air Iveria is supposed to be the new national carrier for Georgia 🇬🇪.
Georgia 🇬🇪 has had a lot of coverage in the mainstream press and travel media over the last few months and the destination has a lot to offer.
Hopefully this planned new route from Tbilisi to London Gatwick actually goes ahead at some point in the future.
Iveria btw is the ancient name for Georgia 🇬🇪
I’m not optimistic.
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Who's next (cont.)
Interestingly, Norse UK's head of route planning has in a recent media interview stated that the airline's just announced Gatwick - Cape Town winter seasonal route was something his team was looking at for a long time, along with other potential (presumably winter seasonal as well) routes to other African destinations from Gatwick in Kenya and Tanzania. If anything concrete comes of this, among the routes most suited to a fly Norse operation in these countries from Gatwick are Mombasa and Zanzibar IMO. (In this connection, I still vaguely recall African Safari Airways / ASA, which I believe was a Swiss-owned, Kenyan-based charter airline doing Gatwick-Mombasa direct during the winter in the 1990s and possibly the early noughties with its own dedicated A310s featuring a zebra-striped tail fin.) Further related to this, could we potentially see BA [re]launch flights from Gatwick to Entebbe and Dar Es Salaam and potentially to Arusha / Kilimanjaro and Zanzibar (the latter perhaps as a competitive / retaliatory response to Norse should Norse decide to launch Zanzibar), maybe, Entebbe and Dar Es Salaam year-round and Arusha and / or Zanzibar winter seasonally?
Reverting to the topic of additional winter seasonal routes Norse could serve from Gatwick, both Gatwick-Durban and Gatwick-Colombo spring to mind.
At the opposite end of the scale, i.e., who is leaving Gatwick rather than coming to Gatwick, Business Traveller has just reported that Lufthansa has removed Gatwick-Frankfurt from its GDS inventory as of 1 July 2024. This doesn't surprise me at all given how many strikes either this airline or their main base and primary global hub at Frankfurt has had ever since the route's relaunch, with (in my past experience) crappy staff attitudes to match, especially when seated at the back of the plane which among all the big airlines I travelled with (incl. BA, Emirates, KLM and Air France) puts Lufthansa truly in a class of its own (and I'm not saying this in a positive sense). Taking all of these factors together, who in their right mind would still want to fly Lufthansa? I'm sure that when this is confirmed and the airline will be asked to give a reason for pulling its Gatwick-Frankfurt route, it'll do what it has always done "best": blame the Gulf carriers for all its (self-inflicted) woes (like it recently blamed the Gulf carriers for having cut the number of Far Eastern destinations it supposedly still serves from 14 pre-pandemic to only four post-pandemic). Let's hope they'll give the daily morning pair of Gatwick slots to their subsidiary Swiss to allow it to go double daily on their recently launched Gatwick-Zurich route to make it a proper feeder for their Zurich hub. I personally consider Swiss a.much better airline than Lufthansa and would expect them to succeed where Lufthansa failed provided it can secure the slots at Gatwick to make the Zurich route an efficient feeder for its global connections radiating from Zurich. Anyway, there will be no shortage of takers for the slots Lufthansa will be vacating at Gatwick.