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Old 28th Nov 2023, 12:50
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Sean M reporting Easy returning 90 weekly slots back to BA for summer 2024
Yes only leased, hopefully a more stable program next summer then.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 13:07
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Originally Posted by pabely
Yes only leased, hopefully a more stable program next summer then.
What is the reason that BA can operate these flights in peak summer in a stable manner, but that Easyjet cannot ? Whoever operates an A320, it needs the same gate time, same slot usage, same ATC, and BA seem to be very short of crew. Not trying to be snide... just genuinely wondering what Easyjet were doing wrong that BA do better for operational reliability
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 13:28
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As BA are taking back 90 slots and have stated that they will be increasing the number of based aircraft at Lgw, should we not be seeing either new routes or increased frequencies soon to fill those extra slots?
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 13:38
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For the winter BA Euroflyer are self sufficient in crew and aircraft. Training for both flight crew and cabin crew in preparation for Summer 2024 is underway.
The current BA Euroflyer schedule for Summer 2024 requires at least 22 aircraft. 21 should be in place or accounted for by January. (the 10 A32 G-GATx series aircraft and 11 A321 ceo aircraft) I envisage additional aircraft will be transferred from mainline as further A320neo and A321neo aircraft are delivered to Heathrow.
As I said above the schedule at the moment needs 22 aircraft with 21 already accounted for. Only 18/19 aircraft were required in Summer 2023 including the Avion Express aircraft. By next summer BA Euroflyer should have 22 of their own aircraft.

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Old 9th Dec 2023, 11:23
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ATC issues at Gatwick again this morning, no departures for an hour apparantly and inbounds 7 or 8 times around the racetrack.
Someone off sick with 'covid' again?
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 11:29
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No - technical issue.

A London Gatwick spokesperson said: ‘There was an outage to a local NATS system earlier this morning which has now been rectified. No cancellations have resulted from this, but some passengers may experience delays. We apologise for any inconvenience.’
https://metro.co.uk/2023/12/09/gatwi...ours-19950841/
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 11:45
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More chance of winning the lottery than being on time arriving or departing Gatwick. If heads didn't roll last time then they need to now.
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Old 9th Dec 2023, 21:05
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Originally Posted by andymartin
More chance of winning the lottery than being on time arriving or departing Gatwick. If heads didn't roll last time then they need to now.
I can confidently predict that, if heads roll, it will be deputy heads.
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 23:30
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I see flights for TAAG are appearing in the arrivals and departures information. It was rumored some weeks back that they were launching, wonder what the delay is?
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 02:28
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Originally Posted by True Blue
I see flights for TAAG are appearing in the arrivals and departures information. It was rumored some weeks back that they were launching, wonder what the delay is?
It wasn't rumoured, it was confirmed by TAAG. Lots of links online if you search TAAG Angola Airlines London.

TAAG Angola Airlines were supposed to start Luanda to London Gatwick on the 14 December 2023.

There are no flights showing on flightradar. There are no flights showing on the TAAG website. TAAG Angola Airlines was also removed from the London Gatwick Wikipedia page.

I posed the question a couple of weeks ago on here regarding TAAG Angola Airlines. Have TAAG Angola Airlines delayed starting their Luanda to LGW route.

Although the flights might be appearing on the London Gatwick arrivals and departures I don't think that the route actually started as planned on the 14 December 2023.

Hopefully TAAG Angola Airlines haven't fully abandoned their plans to start Luanda to London Gatwick.

On a side note but connected to another African national carrier.

With Air Tanzania losing their application for slots at LHR for the IATA 2024 summer season one can only assume that they will operate into LGW instead.

Air Tanzania had previously stated their intention to serve London in Q2 2024 after the airline received it's third Boeing 788. Prior to the covid pandemic Air Tanzania had obtained slots at LGW for three weekly flight's from Dar Es Salaam commencing in June 2020. The LGW slots have since lapsed, hence the recent slot requests at LHR, which were unsuccessful.

If Air Tanzania and TAAG Angola Airlines do eventually start flying to LGW that will mean that more African carriers serve the airport than at LHR.

African carriers at LGW.

Air Algérie
Air Arabia Maroc
Air Mauritius
Air Tanzania?
Ethiopian Airlines
Nouvelair
Royal Air Maroc
TAAG Angola Airlines?
Tunisair

African carriers at LHR.

Air Algérie
Egyptair
Ethiopian Airlines
Kenya Airways
Royal Air Maroc
Rwandair
Tunisair
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 07:05
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Hopefully the Gatwick slot report for Summer 2024 will be out in the next few days. It could be interesting seeing that several airlines were disappointed by their slot allocations at Heathrow. Some airlines receiving none of their requested increases and others no slots at all.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 09:12
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Singapore Airlines launching 5 weekly flights at Gatwick from June 2024:

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Old 18th Dec 2023, 09:45
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Well if a quality airline like SQ is prepared to come to Lgw, maybe Lgw is finally losing it's image as the bucket and spade airport so loved by some.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 09:57
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The bucket and spade image went out years ago. Those who jest about bucket and spade clearly have never flown at LGW outside the summer peak. Best to leave the old farts with an image from 30 years ago to wallow in the past and reminisce about WW2 (although the war probably ended before they were born). Those who live in the present know differently.

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Old 18th Dec 2023, 10:23
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Yes its been quite a year with the arrival of Air India, Air Mauritius, Saudi and Ethiopian. Plus of course three airlines from China. Now Singapore airlines from June 2024.
Delta Gatwick to New York is also open for bookings next summer. I wonder if Cathay are pondering a return too.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 11:20
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Originally Posted by True Blue
Well if a quality airline like SQ is prepared to come to Lgw, maybe Lgw is finally losing it's image as the bucket and spade airport so loved by some.
There's nothing whatsoever wrong with "bucket and spade".
Very interesting move by Singapore going after market share, the timings are broadly aligned aligned with the existing A380 and B77W morning rotations at LHR, albeit the LGW A359 won't have First. Interesting that the airline that launched the A380 is moving away from that model towards multiple frequencies on a smaller aircraft, there was a time when both morning LHR spins were A380s. Fantastic growth in long haul from LGW. As for Cathay, HKG-LHR capacity is still well down with the CX257 sporadic and the CX239 not running, jury's out on a LGW return I think.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 13:01
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
There's nothing whatsoever wrong with "bucket and spade".
Very interesting move by Singapore going after market share, the timings are broadly aligned aligned with the existing A380 and B77W morning rotations at LHR, albeit the LGW A359 won't have First. Interesting that the airline that launched the A380 is moving away from that model towards multiple frequencies on a smaller aircraft, there was a time when both morning LHR spins were A380s. Fantastic growth in long haul from LGW. As for Cathay, HKG-LHR capacity is still well down with the CX257 sporadic and the CX239 not running, jury's out on a LGW return I think.
Do four first class seats really matter -the 359 has been deployed on one Heathrow service until recently anyway

That said isn’t it more a filler since they have lost a slot pair for NS 2024 .

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Old 18th Dec 2023, 13:07
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Do four first class seats really matter -the 359 has been deployed on one Heathrow service until recently anyway
That said isn’t it more a filler since they have lost a slot pair for NS 2024 .
A359 at LHR was a COVID thing, it's been 2 x A380 and 2 x B77W for a while now. Was one of those four slots leased? In which case it's less of a LGW gain than a LHR loss and they'll be battling to get back into LHR.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 13:49
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Great news for both LGW and SQ; I wonder what third-party lounge their premium passengers will use as they're not likely to have a SilverKris Lounge as they do at LHR.

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Interesting that the airline that launched the A380 is moving away from that model towards multiple frequencies on a smaller aircraft...
Doesn't bode too well for Global then...lol.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 15:00
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The Singapore website does say that the Gatwick service will complement their 4 daily services from Heathrow. Therefore they do not appear to have lost the 4th slot.
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