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Tonight’s flight to Alicante cancelled. Ok even I’m starting to get concerned about this now. It’s the third flight in a week where no doubt people have had their holidays ruined. Anyone know why this flight didn’t run?
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It looks like YouGov have been employed in order to to survey awareness of the airport. I just participated in a survey asking various questions about flying from the airport, knowledge of airlines etc
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Maybe a period of calm after what is relatively good news with the long awaited EasyJet routes. The bird strike and BA et al is just like everyone is on nerves reporting everything and anything as major .. it’s sadly nature and nothing more and not a lot can be done about it.
Give the operators time to rebuild the schedule and relationships with airlines etc . Easy seem to be eying up
the Jet2 holiday remodel for growth with destination airport staff increases - the recent history of Flybe and pandemic enough to close many a business - SOU is still there and when it finds its best model 1.5m pax will be sustainable to be above the profit line - that’s literally a few more Easy routes popping in.
Give the operators time to rebuild the schedule and relationships with airlines etc . Easy seem to be eying up
the Jet2 holiday remodel for growth with destination airport staff increases - the recent history of Flybe and pandemic enough to close many a business - SOU is still there and when it finds its best model 1.5m pax will be sustainable to be above the profit line - that’s literally a few more Easy routes popping in.
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Compliments to Airport Management. Looks like almost complete destruction of the Glasgow route. Careful what you wish for...was it all worth it?????
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I thought his comments were fairly clear and obvious myself. We have gone from a multi-frequency operation to a flight which doesn’t even run daily from the end of this month, and unless something changes for the winter (for which there is still time) then will be only two flights per week versus four a day.
Weekend ticket prices with easyJet are almost as high as Loganair’s were, and weekday ticket prices are low. Difficult to say for sure but looks like there is little of the traditional weekday business travel from the defence industries which used Loganair’s service now using easyJet otherwise presumably fares would be higher as flights would be fuller.
Looks like a good job of destruction to me - as several predicted on here when this situation first arose.
Weekend ticket prices with easyJet are almost as high as Loganair’s were, and weekday ticket prices are low. Difficult to say for sure but looks like there is little of the traditional weekday business travel from the defence industries which used Loganair’s service now using easyJet otherwise presumably fares would be higher as flights would be fuller.
Looks like a good job of destruction to me - as several predicted on here when this situation first arose.
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Whilst I share the sentiment that this would always happen, is it a bit unfair to blame the airport operators?
Yeah, they wanted an easy style operator and enticed them in with a runway extension. But I think it's fairly clear they wanted them for spade and bucket routes. I doubt the airport expected them to go head to head on a core established domestic operation, especially when said airline has made a big thing about being so holiday focused since 2020.
Legally, on what grounds could the airport even stop Easy on the Glasgow route if they wanted to, especially if the airline satisfies all other operational criteria?
Yeah, they wanted an easy style operator and enticed them in with a runway extension. But I think it's fairly clear they wanted them for spade and bucket routes. I doubt the airport expected them to go head to head on a core established domestic operation, especially when said airline has made a big thing about being so holiday focused since 2020.
Legally, on what grounds could the airport even stop Easy on the Glasgow route if they wanted to, especially if the airline satisfies all other operational criteria?
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I wasn't sure what had started this discussion but I've now looked on the EZY app and for anyone else who's not aware, EZY have dropped the Tuesday Glasgow flight, leaving no SOU-GLA flights at all on that day of the week now.
Whilst I share the sentiment that this would always happen, is it a bit unfair to blame the airport operators?
Yeah, they wanted an easy style operator and enticed them in with a runway extension. But I think it's fairly clear they wanted them for spade and bucket routes. I doubt the airport expected them to go head to head on a core established domestic operation, especially when said airline has made a big thing about being so holiday focused since 2020.
Legally, on what grounds could the airport even stop Easy on the Glasgow route if they wanted to, especially if the airline satisfies all other operational criteria?
Yeah, they wanted an easy style operator and enticed them in with a runway extension. But I think it's fairly clear they wanted them for spade and bucket routes. I doubt the airport expected them to go head to head on a core established domestic operation, especially when said airline has made a big thing about being so holiday focused since 2020.
Legally, on what grounds could the airport even stop Easy on the Glasgow route if they wanted to, especially if the airline satisfies all other operational criteria?
It has everything to do with the airport and the commercial deals it does with the operators at its airport. Although an airport cannot stop an operator flying from A to B, it can exercise very considerable latitude over the terms that operator enjoys at the airport(s) - especially when, as in this case, the same company owns the airports at both ends of the route.
It has everything to do with the airport and the commercial deals it does with the operators at its airport. Although an airport cannot stop an operator flying from A to B, it can exercise very considerable latitude over the terms that operator enjoys at the airport(s) - especially when, as in this case, the same company owns the airports at both ends of the route.
whilst it’s disappointing to see the Tuesday flight removed that has always been the day of the week less people fly. Let’s wait to see the passenger figures for June. Easy do need to start showing more commitment but they might wait for the fall out from the bloodbath at BOH which definitely cannot sustain 3 operators all serving the same bucket and spade routes.
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Usual EZY bashing from the usual suspects. The fact is the UK domestic travel market has undergone transformative change since COVID, & the preponderance now for most businesses to avoid costly day trips up country in favour of online alternatives. If the demand was there, EZY would fulfil it same as anyone else. True, there’s a balance to be made between demand & supply, but (defence companies aside) how much demand do you think there is to fly to GLA midweek in winter? Expectations need to be managed, I would hope & imagine possibly 3 days/4 max in winter could be more realistic for weekend demand & whatever business demand is left. And why not bash Loganair while you’re at it, who have shown no loyalty either to set up a base at SOU - or even compete to retain their business? The fact is they were set up to serve the Highlands/Islands from key Scottish cities (mostly with no competition or PSOs) & only started serving UK trunk routes after the demise of FlyBe. They cannot handle competition and have no interest in it, and UK regional airports like SOU cannot rely on them for survival any more than LCCs as their price-points are generally far too high for the masses esp with todays’s cost of living scenario.
So you think they would tell a prospective operator especially one of Easy’s size what routes they can and can’t serve?
As to why Easy do not serve EDI I suspect that’s because Ryanair do a token flight there from BOH. Hopefully Easy will add EDI at some point.