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Old 26th May 2024, 16:09
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Old 26th May 2024, 16:31
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Congratulations to the Saints, absolutely brilliant and a few charters next season!
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Old 26th May 2024, 21:28
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Tonightís flight to Alicante cancelled. Ok even Iím starting to get concerned about this now. Itís the third flight in a week where no doubt people have had their holidays ruined. Anyone know why this flight didnít run?
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Old 26th May 2024, 21:31
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Tonightís flight to Alicante cancelled. Ok even Iím starting to get concerned about this now. Itís the third flight in a week where no doubt people have had their holidays ruined. Anyone know why this flight didnít run?
Another bird strike, departs 1200 tomorrow

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Old 26th May 2024, 22:51
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Another bird strike, departs 1200 tomorrow
Ah, nothing you can do about that then. Thanks for confirming. Glad they will still be making it to their destination.
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Old 29th May 2024, 11:28
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It looks like YouGov have been employed in order to to survey awareness of the airport. I just participated in a survey asking various questions about flying from the airport, knowledge of airlines etc


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Old 29th May 2024, 11:33
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Originally Posted by Ascupart
It looks like YouGov have been employed in order to to survey awareness of the airport. I just participated in a survey asking various questions about flying from the airport, knowledge of airlines etc

Excellent and hopefully the airport will utilise this intel to push out more promotional content and actively target new markets.

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Old 29th May 2024, 15:44
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Maybe a period of calm after what is relatively good news with the long awaited EasyJet routes. The bird strike and BA et al is just like everyone is on nerves reporting everything and anything as major .. itís sadly nature and nothing more and not a lot can be done about it.
Give the operators time to rebuild the schedule and relationships with airlines etc . Easy seem to be eying up
the Jet2 holiday remodel for growth with destination airport staff increases - the recent history of Flybe and pandemic enough to close many a business - SOU is still there and when it finds its best model 1.5m pax will be sustainable to be above the profit line - thatís literally a few more Easy routes popping in.
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 04:34
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Compliments to Airport Management. Looks like almost complete destruction of the Glasgow route. Careful what you wish for...was it all worth it?????
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 06:45
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Compliments to Airport Management. Looks like almost complete destruction of the Glasgow route. Careful what you wish for...was it all worth it?????
Care to explain?
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 07:40
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I thought his comments were fairly clear and obvious myself. We have gone from a multi-frequency operation to a flight which doesnít even run daily from the end of this month, and unless something changes for the winter (for which there is still time) then will be only two flights per week versus four a day.

Weekend ticket prices with easyJet are almost as high as Loganairís were, and weekday ticket prices are low. Difficult to say for sure but looks like there is little of the traditional weekday business travel from the defence industries which used Loganairís service now using easyJet otherwise presumably fares would be higher as flights would be fuller.

Looks like a good job of destruction to me - as several predicted on here when this situation first arose.
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 08:37
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Whilst I share the sentiment that this would always happen, is it a bit unfair to blame the airport operators?

Yeah, they wanted an easy style operator and enticed them in with a runway extension. But I think it's fairly clear they wanted them for spade and bucket routes. I doubt the airport expected them to go head to head on a core established domestic operation, especially when said airline has made a big thing about being so holiday focused since 2020.

Legally, on what grounds could the airport even stop Easy on the Glasgow route if they wanted to, especially if the airline satisfies all other operational criteria?
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 09:10
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I wasn't sure what had started this discussion but I've now looked on the EZY app and for anyone else who's not aware, EZY have dropped the Tuesday Glasgow flight, leaving no SOU-GLA flights at all on that day of the week now.
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 09:10
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
Whilst I share the sentiment that this would always happen, is it a bit unfair to blame the airport operators?

Yeah, they wanted an easy style operator and enticed them in with a runway extension. But I think it's fairly clear they wanted them for spade and bucket routes. I doubt the airport expected them to go head to head on a core established domestic operation, especially when said airline has made a big thing about being so holiday focused since 2020.

Legally, on what grounds could the airport even stop Easy on the Glasgow route if they wanted to, especially if the airline satisfies all other operational criteria?
Exactly, has nothing really to do with the airport. I doubt any airport turns down business. I am a bit dismayed by Easyís current lack of commitment but itís still early days. If Easy go back to two a week then there is an opportunity for Logan to come back if they are still not sulking. I do wonder if some of you have worked in business before or conveniently forget how cutthroat it can be. This scenario is not unique to SOU.
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 09:14
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It has everything to do with the airport and the commercial deals it does with the operators at its airport. Although an airport cannot stop an operator flying from A to B, it can exercise very considerable latitude over the terms that operator enjoys at the airport(s) - especially when, as in this case, the same company owns the airports at both ends of the route.
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Old 3rd Jun 2024, 09:28
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Just wait until easyJet start EDI, that will really stir up the hornets nest!
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
It has everything to do with the airport and the commercial deals it does with the operators at its airport. Although an airport cannot stop an operator flying from A to B, it can exercise very considerable latitude over the terms that operator enjoys at the airport(s) - especially when, as in this case, the same company owns the airports at both ends of the route.
So you think they would tell a prospective operator especially one of Easyís size what routes they can and canít serve? I cannot see that happening certainly when the balance of any negotiations are heavily in Easyís favour. SOU needs Easy more than Easy needs SOU. The airport has already said that the likes of Logan do not provide enough passengers for it to break even so they clearly are not going to care too much about them.

whilst itís disappointing to see the Tuesday flight removed that has always been the day of the week less people fly. Letís wait to see the passenger figures for June. Easy do need to start showing more commitment but they might wait for the fall out from the bloodbath at BOH which definitely cannot sustain 3 operators all serving the same bucket and spade routes.
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Usual EZY bashing from the usual suspects. The fact is the UK domestic travel market has undergone transformative change since COVID, & the preponderance now for most businesses to avoid costly day trips up country in favour of online alternatives. If the demand was there, EZY would fulfil it same as anyone else. True, thereís a balance to be made between demand & supply, but (defence companies aside) how much demand do you think there is to fly to GLA midweek in winter? Expectations need to be managed, I would hope & imagine possibly 3 days/4 max in winter could be more realistic for weekend demand & whatever business demand is left. And why not bash Loganair while youíre at it, who have shown no loyalty either to set up a base at SOU - or even compete to retain their business? The fact is they were set up to serve the Highlands/Islands from key Scottish cities (mostly with no competition or PSOs) & only started serving UK trunk routes after the demise of FlyBe. They cannot handle competition and have no interest in it, and UK regional airports like SOU cannot rely on them for survival any more than LCCs as their price-points are generally far too high for the masses esp with todaysís cost of living scenario.
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So you think they would tell a prospective operator especially one of Easyís size what routes they can and canít serve?
Thatís precisely what happens at many other airports. If you want to fly to X, you can - but youíll be paying full airport fees if you do. Want to fly to Y, there are commercial deals available. Why do you think easyJet is on GLA-SOU and not EDI?
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
Thatís precisely what happens at many other airports. If you want to fly to X, you can - but youíll be paying full airport fees if you do. Want to fly to Y, there are commercial deals available. Why do you think easyJet is on GLA-SOU and not EDI?
Very much doubt that. The airports that hold the power in negotiations are very few I expect. Even LHR is losing operators despite being slot restricted. Airlines hold the power and the airports that bend over backwards for them are the ones that get routes. Ryanair have built a business around that. I donít want to bring BOH up again but this is why they now have 3 operators as they can probably afford to offer dirt cheap fees thanks to deriving income from other revenue streams at the airport. This is another thing SOU could look at and maybe they are in welcoming the air ambulance being based at the airport.

As to why Easy do not serve EDI I suspect thatís because Ryanair do a token flight there from BOH. Hopefully Easy will add EDI at some point.
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