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Old 12th Jun 2024, 21:53
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Originally Posted by Musket90
I think the number of threshold stripes is based on the runway instrument status. 02 is non-precision and has the runway numbers between the stripes. 20 is precision instrument with the runway numbers beyond the stripes. Not sure though if pilots would notice the difference.
Stripes on the runway is the least of SOU problems,With Bournemouth going from strength to strength and with the new proposal for the link road,the future for SOU is up in the air!
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 22:10
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Are there proposals in the real world?
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Old 12th Jun 2024, 23:14
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Originally Posted by RW20
Stripes on the runway is the least of SOU problems,With Bournemouth going from strength to strength and with the new proposal for the link road,the future for SOU is up in the air!
Are you "up in the air"?

As you rightly know there are no current proposals for a new link road for Bournemouth Airport.

It was just a suggestion and a diagram of a possible link road that was recently posted on the Bournemouth thread.

Please don't exaggerate on what was just a theoretical idea put by another poster on the Bournemouth Airport thread.
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Old 13th Jun 2024, 06:26
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What does this mean in real terms for operators like Easy?
The airport needs some good news, to date there has been little to write home about since the runway extension.
Suspect that minimal increase in TORA/ASDA will have no significant impact on take-off weights. Runway width now published same as SEN. When constructed both runways were published as having a 120FT width, which converted to metres is 36.576M. Possibly NATS AIS/CAA decided to round them down?
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Old 13th Jun 2024, 19:58
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
Suspect that minimal increase in TORA/ASDA will have no significant impact on take-off weights. Runway width now published same as SEN. When constructed both runways were published as having a 120FT width, which converted to metres is 36.576M. Possibly NATS AIS/CAA decided to round them down?
Runway dimensions are produced from survey data which all airports have to regularly carry out and which is contracted out to survey companies. The data quality in recent times has become much more accurate as they have to follow requirements which are detailed in Civil Aviation Publication CAP1732 which you can view on the CAA website. I believe the rounding down if below 0.5 is an ICAO requirement., so strictly speaking it's not NATS AIS or CAA as they just follow ICAO rules..
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Old 15th Jun 2024, 15:00
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Klm cityhopper

Seen on the klm website that in the new year (so far checked january and February) for the AM flights sunday through to friday they will be using an embraer 195 - e2. And saturdays a 737-700. Anyone know the chances of these aircraft types changing as we get closer to the new year?

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Old 15th Jun 2024, 18:44
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Of course they will change.
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Old 15th Jun 2024, 19:34
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Originally Posted by Musket90
Runway dimensions are produced from survey data which all airports have to regularly carry out and which is contracted out to survey companies. The data quality in recent times has become much more accurate as they have to follow requirements which are detailed in Civil Aviation Publication CAP1732 which you can view on the CAA website. I believe the rounding down if below 0.5 is an ICAO requirement., so strictly speaking it's not NATS AIS or CAA as they just follow ICAO rules..
My understanding is that CAP 1732 specifies data quality requirements, ie accuracy tolerances. It would therefore appear to be the case that any rounding down/up is an AIS issue,therefore applied by NATS AIM.
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Old 16th Jun 2024, 12:43
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Aer Lingus and W24/25

Aer Lingus appear to be increasing the frequency of the Belfast City and Dublin routes from the start of the winter season, based on what is currently loaded. Good to see them steadily but consistently increase their operation from Southampton, hopefully a sign that the flights are doing well.

Belfast City - 20x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)
Dublin - 19x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)


nickt220304 - those KLM flights have been showing as that for a couple of months now, but there is still a fair chance they will change nearer to the time from this far out.
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Originally Posted by adfly
Aer Lingus appear to be increasing the frequency of the Belfast City and Dublin routes from the start of the winter season, based on what is currently loaded. Good to see them steadily but consistently increase their operation from Southampton, hopefully a sign that the flights are doing well.

Belfast City - 20x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)
Dublin - 19x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)


nickt220304 - those KLM flights have been showing as that for a couple of months now, but there is still a fair chance they will change nearer to the time from this far out.
Great to see Aer Lingus Regional doing so well at Southampton. The schedules are perfectly timed for both cities and the fares are very reasonable. With the obvious success of BHD and DUB then hopefully Aer Lingus Regional will at some point consider resuming a link with Cork.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 06:29
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I see Easyjet diverted 3 aircraft from Gatwick to Bournemouth the other day and didn’t use Southampton with its better public transport links. I wonder why, as not everyone would have wanted to be taken back to Gatwick?

We did all possible to minimise the impact of the weather disruption for our customers, providing onward coach transfers to London Gatwick from Bournemouth.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 06:56
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I see Easyjet diverted 3 aircraft from Gatwick to Bournemouth the other day and didnít use Southampton with its better public transport links. I wonder why, as not everyone would have wanted to be taken back to Gatwick?
When the first 2 diverted to hurn the 4 airbus sized stands at Southampton were all taken up with scheduled traffic so Southampton would have had to refuse the request for them to Divert.
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[QUOTE=adfly;11677702]Aer Lingus appear to be increasing the frequency of the Belfast City and Dublin routes from the start of the winter season, based on what is currently loaded. Good to see them steadily but consistently increase their operation from Southampton, hopefully a sign that the flights are doing well.

Belfast City - 20x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)
Dublin - 19x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)


But but Easy push other operators off routes? How can this be possible?

Great to see Emerald going from strength to strength on the SOU routes. Goes to show what you can do with a code share and the right aircraft.

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When the first 2 diverted to hurn the 4 airbus sized stands at Southampton were all taken up with scheduled traffic so Southampton would have had to refuse the request for them to Divert.
In other words SOU was too busy to accept them whereas BOH wasnít.

Anyone heard about any more development at the airport? At peak times the backtracking seems to be a big problem. Itís a real shame they didnít construct the northern link at the time of the runway extension. The cost canít be much.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 10:26
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In other words SOU was too busy to accept them whereas BOH wasn’t.
Or in other words BOH has 11 stands up to B767 size whereas SOU has only 4 airbus sized stands so could not accept them.
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Old 17th Jun 2024, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Le Tirer
Or in other words BOH has 11 stands up to B767 size whereas SOU has only 4 airbus sized stands so could not accept them.
Is that correct as donít think all are 767 capable?
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[QUOTE=Rivet Joint;11678236]
Originally Posted by adfly
Aer Lingus appear to be increasing the frequency of the Belfast City and Dublin routes from the start of the winter season, based on what is currently loaded. Good to see them steadily but consistently increase their operation from Southampton, hopefully a sign that the flights are doing well.

Belfast City - 20x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)
Dublin - 19x weekly (3x and 2x on Saturday)


But but Easy push other operators off routes? How can this be possible?

Great to see Emerald going from strength to strength on the SOU routes. Goes to show what you can do with a code share and the right aircraft.



In other words SOU was too busy to accept them whereas BOH wasnít.

Anyone heard about any more development at the airport? At peak times the backtracking seems to be a big problem. Itís a real shame they didnít construct the northern link at the time of the runway extension. The cost canít be much.
Not sure what they do with any northern taxiway now as they have re-designated twy A by stands 13/14 as apron for bizjets. Of course this could be changed back but I donít foresee a full length taxiway up to the start of R20 and instead would probably be as per master plan and a piece of tarmac out from stands 13/14 to touchdown markers, this would still alleviate many backtracking issues
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
My understanding is that CAP 1732 specifies data quality requirements, ie accuracy tolerances. It would therefore appear to be the case that any rounding down/up is an AIS issue,therefore applied by NATS AIM.
Thanks TCAS. NATS AIM follow ICAO requirements in Annex 15 (Aeronautical Information Services) which states declared distances are to the nearest
metre
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April's CAA data is available. Southampton saw a small drop in passenger numbers compared to March.


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Old 17th Jun 2024, 17:23
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Southampton and Bournemouth looking at Jan-Apr only


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[QUOTE=SouthernAlliance;11678296]
Originally Posted by Rivet Joint

Not sure what they do with any northern taxiway now as they have re-designated twy A by stands 13/14 as apron for bizjets. Of course this could be changed back but I donít foresee a full length taxiway up to the start of R20 and instead would probably be as per master plan and a piece of tarmac out from stands 13/14 to touchdown markers, this would still alleviate many backtracking issues
Interesting. Didnít know this. Guess that rules out the spur extension from stand 14 which would have been the simple solution. Airbus sized aircraft do tend to always leave a little late even when they arrive early so hope the airport is looking at that.

Itís good to see that SOU are diversifying their business. For years they have been turning business jets away. In an ideal world they would finally move the business and maintenance hangers to the development land in the north east as there master plan envisages. Seeing as that land is part of the freeport, the various incentives must be enticing for businesses to invest. Very much hope that land is largely used for business gets, maintenance or aerospace manufacturing.
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