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Old 26th Nov 2023, 19:34
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
I agree - always a marriage of convenience. What's the BA summer schedule now?
one weekly Sat/Sun to PMI, AGP, FAO, EGC (at present)
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Old 27th Nov 2023, 21:00
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Originally Posted by cavokblues
I agree they can drive hard commercial deals but my point was more about I don't think they're fussed about terminal expansions, security numbers etc. We've all flown with certain airlines, orange, pink and blue, where the airport is completely lacking in that department.
That wasnít my point. I have an insight into what LCCís want from an airport. They have great leverage of where they park right through to kicking up a fuss when the crew car park buses arenít running as they should. In other words, they arenít just happy with a shoddy operation. That operation might not be required to have the full bells and whistles but it absolutely needs to be supporting the carriers flying programme.

There is an assumption by some here that LCCís are very laid back about things. Thatís not the case.
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Old 27th Nov 2023, 23:04
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Maybe the management need to take responsibility for this,they recently lost their main man to BOH owners , perhaps significant!
Hum, can you explain more? What was the impact of the departure of Steve Szalay?
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 07:18
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If Ryanair have taught us one thing it is that its about the need for remorseless attention to EVERY tiny detail that makes an LCC a cash machine
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 08:10
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I was coming from the perspective of simply operating to rather than being based at an airport.

SeanM1997's twitter suggesting Belfast City seeing some new easyJet holiday action. Will we also see news on new routes from Southampton?
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 08:22
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Originally Posted by MadB
Hum, can you explain more? What was the impact of the departure of Steve Szalay?
Absolutely no impact, new airlines/routes are negotiated at group level within their commercial teams, local airport MDís are in situ to primarily operate the airport on a daily basis!
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 11:34
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New route from easyJet: PMI twice per week for the summer from 2nd May.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 12:28
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Yep - and that's it for easyJet for 2024. It is a step forward but not the giant leap for mankind that Southampton hoped for and needed.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
Yep - and that's it for easyJet for 2024. It is a step forward but not the giant leap for mankind that Southampton hoped for and needed.
If that is so,then it's very underwhelming and disappointing for the airport,potential holiday makers and more importantly it's not going to increase the PAX numbers greatly to get near 1.2mil to break even!
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 13:01
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Guess the only hope is EZY may add a little more frequency to their new summer routes
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 13:37
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Originally Posted by SouthernAlliance
Guess the only hope is EZY may add a little more frequency to their new summer routes
There's been much speculation over weeks about another airline announcing routes from SOU,surely this would have come to light by now?,and what's happening domestically 're Manchester?
Much needed extra traffic needed for 2024!
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 13:47
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If EZY aren't going to do MAN, who else is likely to launch a domestic service to an EZY base?

EZY have launched popular routes, I guess it is 'use it or lose it'
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 13:50
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
If EZY aren't going to do MAN, who else is likely to launch a domestic service to an EZY base?

EZY have launched popular routes, I guess it is 'use it or lose it'
Loganair ? ATR 3x a day ,but they can't be happy with SOU at the moment!
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 15:31
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Originally Posted by RW20
If that is so,then it's very underwhelming and disappointing for the airport,potential holiday makers and more importantly it's not going to increase the PAX numbers greatly to get near 1.2mil to break even!
Here goes, a back of a fag packet calculation on EZY seats available (departures & arrivals) that are currently in their booking engine suggests the following:

ALC 8184 (320), PMI 13020 (320), FAO 4836 (320), BFS 49296 (319), GLA 46176 (319), GVA 29388 (320) = 150900 seats (01/01/24 - 01/09/24). Expected total airport pax Ď23 is 750k so Ď24 with these orange additions will make circa 900k and this before anything added for Sept onwards. Predictions of 1m pa in 2024 definitely achievable, not withstanding there could be some reductions from Loganair/BA etc!
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 15:34
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Are all those GVA seats new one's?
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 15:36
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Are all those GVA seats new one's?
Data taken from booking engine Start Jan-end March for GVA. Apologies to all if my fag packet hasnít worked correctly!

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Old 28th Nov 2023, 18:30
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Originally Posted by easyflyer83
That wasnít my point. I have an insight into what LCCís want from an airport. They have great leverage of where they park right through to kicking up a fuss when the crew car park buses arenít running as they should. In other words, they arenít just happy with a shoddy operation. That operation might not be required to have the full bells and whistles but it absolutely needs to be supporting the carriers flying programme.

There is an assumption by some here that LCCís are very laid back about things. Thatís not the case.
Exactly the point I was originally making and which had been misconstrued as usual.

On one hand we have the usual suspects saying simply the curfew in isolation will prevent a low cost operator ever moving in and now the same people are saying such operators arenít really fussy and are happy with just a runway and a shed. Contradiction much?

To make money at their margins everything has to be run like a well oiled machine with assets making money as much as possible. I seem to be one of the few supporters of SOU on here but I have the sense to appreciate that it currently struggles to serve 2 a320s at the same time. Many improvements are still no doubt needed be it larger security areas, terminal space for many hundreds more people to sit somewhere, more airside equipment like tugs, even the taxiway to reduce the time backtracking etc etc.

Regardless of the level of frequency if you told me last year SOU would now have EZY serving 6 routes Iíd say thatís a great start. Iíve heard the domestic routes are nearly full which speaks volumes about the untapped market locally for cheap flights. A lot of these are people who are unlikely to ever pay LMs prices and frequency clearly isnít an issue either. Exciting times but yes letís moan moan moan.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 18:43
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Exactly the point I was originally making and which had been misconstrued as usual.

On one hand we have the usual suspects saying simply the curfew in isolation will prevent a low cost operator ever moving in and now the same people are saying such operators arenít really fussy and are happy with just a runway and a shed. Contradiction much?
Well, that's clearly aimed at me and despite complaining about people misconstruing your claims, you then, amusingly, do exactly that to me.

My point was made in response to simply operating to an airport. A lot of smaller airports in Europe which are served more frequently than what easyJet are offering next summer are little more than a runway and a shed. If there is talk of a base, then obviously airlines are going to be more demanding. But we don't need based aircraft for a huge increase in seats offered by easyJet.

FWIW, I think there is plenty of latent capacity at Southampton currently to handle way more pax and operations than is currently being offered by easyJet. I don't think there needs to be some hugely detailed masterplan and agreement between the the airline and the operator to achieve more than what it is offering next summer.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 20:35
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Good to hear easyJet domestic loads are doing very well and S24 routes have now been announced, I wish the airport the very best!
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 21:22
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Any further info on a "a new player coming" as mentioned in your recent post?
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