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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 11:19
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The problem with EZY domestics is that they seem to be treated very much as poor relations to their international routes and in many cases used to fill a gap in a line of flying when they can’t fit in anything longer. Even their Gatwick - Glasgow/Edinburgh schedules are dire at times. I have to regularly do day trips to Edinburgh and I live just a bit south of Gatwick. During the summer, on a Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday they have no flights EDILGW between 1500 and 2100. As such I try to travel on a Thursday or a Friday but if I have to go earlier in the week I go from LHR and back to LHR because that’s where my car is. I have seriously thought about going from/to SOU but the unpredictability of the Chichester bypass puts me off (and the alternative of the A272 is also unpredictable). In a nutshell, EZY will do no good whatsoever to the long term SOU Scotland market and I sincerely hope SOU are not giving them discounts on the GLA route. If they are they are short term fools.
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If only some clever chaps could invent a sort of road, perhaps made of iron and very straight, on which it were possible to travel very quickly from place to place. I hear they have such things overseas.
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 11:33
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Originally Posted by Aero Mad
If only some clever chaps could invent a sort of road, perhaps made of iron and very straight, on which it were possible to travel very quickly from place to place. I hear they have such things overseas.
We have a version in this country - used as an instrument of torture.
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 13:20
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I think at least with the current schedule easyJet have on offer, there is space for both airlines. Loganair only carried about 50% of pre-covid numbers this August (compared to August 2019). I understand that the route most likely wonít get back to its former numbers and that itís winter too, but surely there is enough space for 2 A319s a week? Just my opinion though.
I have flown between Southampton and Scotland (mostly Edinburgh) over 100 times in the last 7 years, a lot of these flights actually being with Loganair. I noticed on the easyJet flight yesterday that they had attracted a different clientele to what I have seen on Loganairís flight, so in the long run, I donít think this will effect Loganair too much.
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Aero Mad
If only some clever chaps could invent a sort of road, perhaps made of iron and very straight, on which it were possible to travel very quickly from place to place. I hear they have such things overseas.
Iíd like to see you do a day return from Sussex to Edinburgh, with a reasonable amount of time in Edinburgh (including travelling to Musselburgh) using trains. Bear in mind you have to travel between Victoria and Kings Cross (and vv).
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 14:43
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
Iíd like to see you do a day return from Sussex to Edinburgh, with a reasonable amount of time in Edinburgh (including travelling to Musselburgh) using trains. Bear in mind you have to travel between Victoria and Kings Cross (and vv).
I've done a day trip in the past purely by train from Surrey via Waterloo and King's Cross to Edinburgh and back... Thameslink makes it relatively easy from Sussex. To those who dislike the train times... remember that 4+ hours on the train between London and Edinburgh can be filled with a long snooze to catch up on sleep, much like many of the pax on 6 am flights fall asleep the moment the aircraft doors are closed.

Monday 06 November
Gatwick dep 0421, St Pancras arr 0515
King's Cross dep 0548 Edinburgh Waverley arr 1008

Edinburgh Waverley dep 1730, King's Cross arr 2208
St Pancras dep 2220 Gatwick 2307

There are 2 later trains from Edinburgh to King's Cross at 1830 and 1930 respectively (and yes, there are onward connections from St Pancras to Sussex), in case you want to spend longer in Edinburgh and meetings run later than expected.

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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 15:42
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Originally Posted by LTNman
All depends if Easyjet increase its frequency. If they do it could well kill off Loganair but if they don’t split legs are more likely meaning an unaffordable return using just Loganair could become affordable if one leg was via Easyjet so stimulating demand for Loganair.

An example would be if I fly out say on a Thursday to GLA with Easyjet and want to return on a Sunday my choice is train or Loganair so Loganair could pick up business for a journey I might not have made in the first place if it wasn’t for Easyjet.
No unregulated free market works like this. Perhaps once in the days of say BA and Air Canada pooling seats to Canada, but never as direct competitors, which easyJet and Loganair are. Huge majority of people, even savvy people, are carrier loyal on a booking.
easyJet don't offer regular domestics for business, business works around easyJet's offered timings. They're the dominant domestic carrier now surely?
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 15:57
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LTNman isn't talking about pooling seats, merely that more choice gives more options so may increase the market rather than two carriers competing for the same pax.
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 16:01
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
I've done a day trip in the past purely by train from Surrey via Waterloo and King's Cross to Edinburgh and back... Thameslink makes it relatively easy from Sussex. To those who dislike the train times... remember that 4+ hours on the train between London and Edinburgh can be filled with a long snooze to catch up on sleep, much like many of the pax on 6 am flights fall asleep the moment the aircraft doors are closed.

Monday 06 November
Gatwick dep 0421, St Pancras arr 0515
King's Cross dep 0548 Edinburgh Waverley arr 1008

Edinburgh Waverley dep 1730, King's Cross arr 2208
St Pancras dep 2220 Gatwick 2307

There are 2 later trains from Edinburgh to King's Cross at 1830 and 1930 respectively (and yes, there are onward connections from St Pancras to Sussex), in case you want to spend longer in Edinburgh and meetings run later than expected.
l commend you for taking up the challenge. However on my normal schedule I leave Gatwick at 0815 arrive EDI 0945. As Iím not travelling to central Edinburgh arriving at Waverley gives me little advantage. I then leave EDI at 1900, arrive LGW at 2030 and home by 2130. I think the plane is a no brainer..I also think weíve probably hijacked the SOU thread quite enough!
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 22:57
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Originally Posted by rjrm
I think at least with the current schedule easyJet have on offer, there is space for both airlines. Loganair only carried about 50% of pre-covid numbers this August (compared to August 2019). I understand that the route most likely won’t get back to its former numbers and that it’s winter too, but surely there is enough space for 2 A319s a week? Just my opinion though.
I have flown between Southampton and Scotland (mostly Edinburgh) over 100 times in the last 7 years, a lot of these flights actually being with Loganair. I noticed on the easyJet flight yesterday that they had attracted a different clientele to what I have seen on Loganair’s flight, so in the long run, I don’t think this will effect Loganair too much.
I've been wondering what on earth is going on with EZY's GLA - STN service. It's increasingly becoming awful, which feels a bit like holding the door open for RYR. It feels like they're slowly giving up on domestics!
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 23:07
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Originally Posted by 01475
I've been wondering what on earth is going on with EZY's GLA - STN service. It's increasingly becoming awful, which feels a bit like holding the door open for RYR. It feels like they're slowly giving up on domestics!
"I've been wondering what on earth is going on" 🤣

With people posting stuff that is clearly intended for other threads.

I take it that you're fully aware of the fact that there are individual threads for both EasyJet and London Stansted. Donít you think that your post should have been directed to either of those threads rather than this particular one. Your post has absolutely nothing to do with SOU.
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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 23:47
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SOU - GLA is a domestic route, and EZY's approach to domestic routes could be relevant to the approach they might take to a domestic route? Like the discussion about whether they're fillers or serious attempts to pick up business traffic? Why people are discussing other random non SOU routes? No?

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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 23:58
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Originally Posted by 01475

Would you like me to spell out to you why SOU - GLA is a domestic route and why EZY's approach to domestic routes is relevant to the approach they might take to a domestic route? No?

Ah no, of course you wouldn't. Go on, feel very smart for your exceptionally clever sarcasm. Clever you!
I still dont think that it should have been directed to this particular thread regardless of your "sarcastic" response. "Clever me".

Regardless of the fact that you're referencing GLA-SOU as being a domestic route, which I'm totally aware of, btw.

You would have had a better response, in my opinion, if your post was directed to either the EasyJet or Stansted threads or even the Glasgow thread. Your debating EasyJet, Glasgow, and London Stansted in your post. Nothing of which really concerns Southampton Airport.

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Old 4th Nov 2023, 00:21
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One thing is for certain, the new EZY-GLA service has stirred up emotions on LinkedIn with the Loganair CEO joining in, wow!
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 00:45
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Originally Posted by SKOJB
One thing is for certain, the new EZY-GLA service has stirred up emotions on LinkedIn with the Loganair CEO joining in, wow!
At the time when it was first announced, it was stated that EasyJet BFS/GLA to SOU were both intended to be seasonal service.

EasyJet stated that flights would operate until the end of the IATA winter season, which ends on 29 March 2024.

EasyJet has so far made no commitment to operating BFS/GLA-SOU for the IATA summer season, which commences on 30 March 2024.

Some outlets state that these two EasyJet domestic flights between BFS/GLA-SOU are going to be year-round, whereas some are stating that they are seasonal only. Remember EasyJet at the time stated that they were for winter season only.

EasyJet is more than likely using spare aircraft capacity at both BFS and GLA to operate these domestic routes to SOU.

Until EasyJet confirm that these two domestic routes will continue after the IATA winter 2023/24 season, I can't see them being much of a threat in the long term.

EasyJet is only operating five weekly flights to Southampton, three from BFS and two from GLA. In my opinion, these flights will actually benefit SOU, and it won't have a real effect on Loganair. In any event, these two domestic routes by EasyJet will open up a new market rather than depress it.

I have flown Loganair from SOU on several occasions, and I will continue to do so in the future. But that hasn't stopped me from purchasing a return ticket for £52 from easyJet for SOU to GLA.

Obviously, in the long-term, I would like to see easyJet being committed to these two domestic routes to SOU and expanding even further. But until these flights are confirmed to continue into the IATA summer 2024 season, we can only assume that EasyJet were correct in announcing that they were to be for winter season only.
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 09:33
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Came back down to Southampton today with easyJet. 77 PAX on the flight, more representative of numbers going forward I expect. Managed to have a quick chat with the flight crew, 2,100 kg fuel used on each leg, so a definite advantage over the E145 with only 49 seats.
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 10:47
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Easyjet could well compliment the Loganair service. One leg easyjet one leg Loganair for more flexibility so increasing the demand for Loganair as not everyone will find easyJetís limited schedule convenient. One leg each will also reduce the total cost.
I think predictive text has struck again here.

I believe you meant to type "complement" and not "compliment" with regards to easyJet complementing the Loganair service.

I agree with you that travellers might well use the more expensive Loganair flights coupled with the complementary and cheaper easyJet service as their travel requirements dictate.
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 13:22
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Originally Posted by Sotonsean
At the time when it was first announced, it was stated that EasyJet BFS/GLA to SOU were both intended to be seasonal service.

EasyJet stated that flights would operate until the end of the IATA winter season, which ends on 29 March 2024.

EasyJet has so far made no commitment to operating BFS/GLA-SOU for the IATA summer season, which commences on 30 March 2024.

Some outlets state that these two EasyJet domestic flights between BFS/GLA-SOU are going to be year-round, whereas some are stating that they are seasonal only. Remember EasyJet at the time stated that they were for winter season only.

EasyJet is more than likely using spare aircraft capacity at both BFS and GLA to operate these domestic routes to SOU.

Until EasyJet confirm that these two domestic routes will continue after the IATA winter 2023/24 season, I can't see them being much of a threat in the long term.

EasyJet is only operating five weekly flights to Southampton, three from BFS and two from GLA. In my opinion, these flights will actually benefit SOU, and it won't have a real effect on Loganair. In any event, these two domestic routes by EasyJet will open up a new market rather than depress it.

I have flown Loganair from SOU on several occasions, and I will continue to do so in the future. But that hasn't stopped me from purchasing a return ticket for £52 from easyJet for SOU to GLA.

Obviously, in the long-term, I would like to see easyJet being committed to these two domestic routes to SOU and expanding even further. But until these flights are confirmed to continue into the IATA summer 2024 season, we can only assume that EasyJet were correct in announcing that they were to be for winter season only.
easyJet press release from this week says that both routes are year round

https://mediacentre.easyjet.com/stor...st-and-glasgow
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easyJet press release from this week says that both routes are year round

https://mediacentre.easyjet.com/stor...st-and-glasgow
Press releases mean nothing. One of these operators on this route will be gone this time next year.
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Old 4th Nov 2023, 17:38
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Press releases mean nothing. One of these operators on this route will be gone this time next year.
We can only hope it's Easy,as they will drop SOU as sure as eggs are eggs in the future.
Loganair are the best fit for SOU,what the airport needs is for Easy to address the sun routes!
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