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Old 16th Dec 2022, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
OUt of pure interest, what would be the routing for this nearly 7000 mile trip? Overnight stop somewhere en route? Crew change how / where?
Why would it need to stop en-route ?
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Old 16th Dec 2022, 08:33
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Its almost the same length as LHR-SIN and they sure don't stop on that - tho I once had a 15+hour trip back from SIN due to head winds
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
OUt of pure interest, what would be the routing for this nearly 7000 mile trip? Overnight stop somewhere en route? Crew change how / where?
The 788 fleet are well within safety margins for non stop with SLF and cases !

Indeed even the 789 in similar format would have no issues for range /performance factors with little indeed no cargo pallets to mention.

They are cruise flights from Manchester , Birmingham and Gatwick and may be W flight routings allowing downstream break and return via other stations.
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The 788 fleet are well within safety margins for non stop with SLF and cases !

Indeed even the 789 in similar format would have no issues for range /performance factors with little indeed no cargo pallets to mention.

They are cruise flights from Manchester , Birmingham and Gatwick and may be W flight routings allowing downstream break and return via other stations.
If they are cruise flights, I doubt they would be W routings, as the aircraft will need to return to BHX with the passengers finishing the cruise.
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update

Originally Posted by jon01
Air France up to 4 daily (Ex Sat) with an additional 09:45/10:30 rotation

Vueling Orly up to 5 per week
Air France was supposed to be 4 a day from 3rd January with a second HOP but that has been withdrawn

Busy week of news and rumours

easyjet

Lisbon increases to 3 per week in summer previously none. Tuesday Thursday and Saturday from 28 March.Malaga remains in the App but not bookable but still removed from Internet site and holidays. Belfast still showing 5 flights in summer Monday & Friday and 4 the other days except Saturday. Edinburgh showing as 3 daily on a Friday from 7 April until 30 June and then Tuesday & Wednesday showing as 3 daily.

Flybe

Belfast City - 26pw
Edinburgh- 24pw
Glasgow - 23pw
Aberdeen - 11pw based aircraft from June 2023
Amsterdam- 7pw
Bergerac - 3pw
Brest - 2pw
Avignon - 2pw

Ryanair

Cork now 6 per week in summer, Gerona up to 3 per week Oporto back to 2. Laura showing on Palma again


TUI

Third Boa Vista which was new on a Thursday, then withdrawn is reinstated again for summer. A certain booking engine is now adding aircraft types for summer and BHX is showing 3 x 787's Monday, Tuesday, Friday & Saturday

Aegean

Continues twice a week into winter (somebody has been looking at the Jet2 pax figures then)

SAS

Still 10 per week only from September

No change with QR or EK but rumours about others

Turkish only have double daily Istanbul but slots indicate I think 16 flights per week but Antalya wasn't;t bookable the last time I checked but Sun Express Antalya was daily, plus 3 Dalaman and 2 x Izmir so a significant increase.

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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 07:16
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Thanks for the update OP!

All being well, S23 shaping up fairly well at BHX

Delighted to see Aegean making ATH a year round route, bookings for summer must be good. Will be interesting to see how it plays out between them and LS

Top rumours still to come to fruition.....fingers crossed
QR to DOH
EW to BER

And more fanciful

PLAY to KEF

SV to JED - given the Saudi Government's new focus on tourism and tourist e-visas available to UK citizens I'm not surprised SV are looking at the UK market. The Saudi Red Sea coastline is (mostly) stunningly beautiful with year round sun and there is a huge amount of tourism related development going on. Add to this the extensive onward SV connections from JED I could see this working but as always it will probably be MAN first.....
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 08:06
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Yes Saudi keep on adding flights at MAN and upgrading to 789 on many flights plus I believe daily next next summer so I am sure as a holiday destination the business will be there ex BHX
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TUI - SV

Originally Posted by GayFriendly
Thanks for the update OP!

All being well, S23 shaping up fairly well at BHX

Delighted to see Aegean making ATH a year round route, bookings for summer must be good. Will be interesting to see how it plays out between them and LS

Top rumours still to come to fruition.....fingers crossed
QR to DOH
EW to BER

And more fanciful

PLAY to KEF

SV to JED - given the Saudi Government's new focus on tourism and tourist e-visas available to UK citizens I'm not surprised SV are looking at the UK market. The Saudi Red Sea coastline is (mostly) stunningly beautiful with year round sun and there is a huge amount of tourism related development going on. Add to this the extensive onward SV connections from JED I could see this working but as always it will probably be MAN first.....
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I think Qatar is not a surprise it hasn't happened yet as I imagine BHX will be well down the list.

Eurowings is a real disappointment as the slots are in and announcements have been made by EW but not BHX, although not critical as yet for a summer start although in my opinion I think is now my number one route that mystifies me why there isn't a direct service. Mind you there are a handful of services BHX have operating that mystify as to why they are operating but I suppose those professional number crunchers know what they are doing, well except when it comes to Cologne where 8 or 9 of them got that one wrong .

Emirates - Still rumours of the 380 this summer, I was hoping Saudi rumours might prompt them and certainly QR would get them thinking. Another 615 seat A380 back in service last month but it is slow going.

TUI- Fascinating as I have now found 3 x 787's on 5 days Friday through Tuesday. The rest appears to be 3 x MAX, 3 x B73H and 2 x A320 (please not the Doncaster Smartlynx). Monday and Friday have 2 x 787's on shorthaul if where I am checking is correct but the same booking engine has some flights without a type which doesn't make it easy for accuracy purposes.

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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 18:01
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Originally Posted by OltonPete
TUI- Fascinating as I have now found 3 x 787's on 5 days Friday through Tuesday. The rest appears to be 3 x MAX, 3 x B73H and 2 x A320 (please not the Doncaster Smartlynx). Tuesday and Friday have 2 x 787's on shorthaul if where I am checking is correct but the same booking engine has some flights without a type which doesn't make it easy for accuracy purposes.

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Pete, the TUI booking engine quotes the following re the A320 flights for summer "Flight operated by Smartlynx Estonia on behalf of TUI Airways"
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Pete, the TUI booking engine quotes the following re the A320 flights for summer "Flight operated by Smartlynx Estonia on behalf of TUI Airways"
Hi Matt

I was using another non-TUI booking engine which still shows some types missing and has the Egyptian flights missing (assume can only be booked via TUI).

Is it the flight only, timetable or holidays section?

Are they seriously positioning a 787 out for two days to be replaced by a 737 for 2 days (Wednesday I only make 10 aircraft but 12 Friday)

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OP, yes BER or lack of it is utterly mystifying....having just had a ball ache of a drive to MAN to pick up family off an FR flight I am praying that someone, anyone starts BHX-BER!!!! The Flybe service was so damned convenient

Keeping everything crossed BER happens!!! Am holding off booking for April just in case EW do release flights.....
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Old 24th Dec 2022, 14:57
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Originally Posted by OltonPete
Hi Matt

Are they seriously positioning a 787 out for two days to be replaced by a 737 for 2 days (Wednesday I only make 10 aircraft but 12 Friday)

Pete
I believe it will operate the BRS long haul flights. Guess it had to come from somewhere although Iím not sure what that means for the BRS short haul 787 flights. Last summer the 787 positioned in and out to GLA, NCL and I think BRS on occasion so with a 787 freed up a few days from DSA hopefully it will be less disruptive programme.
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Originally Posted by OltonPete
Hi Matt

I was using another non-TUI booking engine which still shows some types missing and has the Egyptian flights missing (assume can only be booked via TUI).

Is it the flight only, timetable or holidays section?

Are they seriously positioning a 787 out for two days to be replaced by a 737 for 2 days (Wednesday I only make 10 aircraft but 12 Friday)

Pete
Yes the booking engine we use, doesn't show the Egypt flights, however if you make a dummy booking on the TUI holiday website, & try and book your seat, you can at least see the seat plan for the flight, which will indicate if its a 737, 788 or 789.

The 789 actual does short haul flights on Monday DLM then AYT, Friday, AYT then DLM, and 1 of the 788's does go to BRS for Wednesday/Thursday, so base appears to be 1 789, 2 788s, 2, 320s, and 6 737s ( 3 Maxs, 3 -800s). Not yet checked to see if there is any gaps, think the 737s are based all week, but in high season looks likes 1 788 might go up to Scotland to operate a few long haul flight for the Scottish holidays.
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Originally Posted by Matt995
Yes the booking engine we use, doesn't show the Egypt flights, however if you make a dummy booking on the TUI holiday website, & try and book your seat, you can at least see the seat plan for the flight, which will indicate if its a 737, 788 or 789.

The 789 actual does short haul flights on Monday DLM then AYT, Friday, AYT then DLM, and 1 of the 788's does go to BRS for Wednesday/Thursday, so base appears to be 1 789, 2 788s, 2, 320s, and 6 737s ( 3 Maxs, 3 -800s). Not yet checked to see if there is any gaps, think the 737s are based all week, but in high season looks likes 1 788 might go up to Scotland to operate a few long haul flight for the Scottish holidays.
Cheers Matt

I have done dummy bookings on some sites but found TUI to be more trouble than it is worth.

The only gaps I found were Wednesday with only 10 based but that makes sense if the 788 is off to Bristol but Thursday requires 11 so a 737 must position in to do that and Friday has 12 based in the morning now the extra Alicante is bookable but I assume something will shuffle around. Surprised the Thursday Palma has remained as "other carrier" and that there are still 3 Antalya flights listed as "other carrier".

I suppose it will become a lot clearer by the end of January as clearly something has been going on to add a third Boa Vista, remove it along with Almeria and a few Antalya's only for them all to be restored and a third Alicante added. I suppose like everyone else trying to second guess how the locals will spend their ever-squeezed wages.

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Emirates - Still rumours of the 380 this summer, I was hoping Saudi rumours might prompt them and certainly QR would get them thinking. Another 615 seat A380 back in service last month but it is slow going.



Pete
The beast is back A380 1st July EK39/40 daily - shown in most booking engines. EK37/38 still shows 77W

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Old 28th Dec 2022, 15:43
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Fantastic news 👋👋👋 welcome back the beast!

Come on QR and SV, there's room for you too 👍
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Originally Posted by GayFriendly
Fantastic news 👋👋👋 welcome back the beast!

Come on QR and SV, there's room for you too 👍
I seem to recall when EK first published A380 flights (2016?) it was either just before or immediately after QR announced BHX. If rumours are to believed about Saudi announcing BHX in January or QR returning it definitely looks like they are trying to get ahead of the game.
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I think Saudi is a different market, Qatar maybe similar and if we compare the MAN market QTR has gained much of the Etihad market but Emirates is still very strong as is Saudi so could an interesting summer at BHX
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Saudi isn't a real tourist destination - especially for Brits
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Saudi isn't a real tourist destination - especially for Brits
Saudiaís presence up the M6 is largely predicated of certain military and defence contracts filling the belly and up front premium seats, with Umrah pilgrims in the back .

They arenít a connecting hub and spoke operation beyond domestic up the Riyadh and Taif ( the military BAE connection again) right now, through I believe the local travel agents do offer some capacity beyond Jeddah to Pakistan in particular and at some pretty competitive rates ignoring the hassle of transferring.

I very much expect the military/BAE sponsorship would also be at play for operations out of Birmingham.

Now it is known that Saudi are actively promoting the growth of managed tourism in the next few years however what that looks like is a work in progress .

Areas they are looking at are Neom Bay, Haql in particular ( alternative access to the Red Sea for snorkelling and such ) and certain historical sites ( except Medina ) and no doubt that ecological disaster wall/ city thing !
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