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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 15:28
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Originally Posted by Jamesair1
When you look on the website and get the flight timetable, it definately has Holiday Only flights blocked out for flight only travellers, so there is no uncertanty there.
Exactly !
Never used to be the case but it is now.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 15:38
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If you visit the TUI website and try to book a one-way flight on some routes 6+ months in advance, the website will happily tell you that every seat has already been booked. Wait until 2 weeks before departure, and the TUI website magically has seats available. Look for example at TUI flights between Gatwick and Frankfurt - TUI want to sell these for people living in the UK who are booking a complete all-inclusive 1-week river cruise package holiday along the Rhine - they are not interested in helping people who consider Lufthansa expensive for travelling between a company's London and Frankfurt offices and who would like to save £20 on the normal Lufthansa airfare.

Both TUI and Jet2 are companies that aim to maximise profit for shareholders. They sell the products they want to sell to the people of their choice at the time of their choice at the price of their choice. They are not a Govt-owned public transport service.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 17:07
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Originally Posted by inOban
'I do travel probably more by air than the average person'

You certainly do, since the average person hasn't flown at all in the last 12 months!
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If you went back to Covid I would agree with you but over the last 14 months my flights have been full on most trips. My weekly Bus to work is always full in Business and in the back so a lot of people are flying now.

We could use points with LH to fly Mrs Mac to Palma but connections not great and she needs to be in UK on the Friday so not an option. Anyway first world problems as they say.

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Old 16th Jun 2023, 17:19
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Speculation from the usually reliable SeanM that Jet2 may order 6-10 A330 NEO next week in Paris……
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 19:01
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Speculation from the usually reliable SeanM that Jet2 may order 6-10 A330 NEO next week in Paris……
A bit premature given that an order hasn't been announced, but probably (in this order) MAN, STN, then BHX for operational bases. If it happens it will give TUI food for thought, as since the demise TCX they have had the UK (outside London) markets petty much to themselves.
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 19:48
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Not entirely sure where they’d fly them to. TUI make long haul (just about) work thanks to economies of scale across the whole European outbound market, as well as owning half the hotels and cruise ships they serve in the Caribbean. However, even they are being squeezed in certain markets due to increased demand ex-USA and the strong dollar driving up the cost of hotel rooms in the Caribbean/Mexico.

USA is in decline for outbound UK tourists due to cost - loads UK-Florida (across all airlines) are dire right now.

The transatlantic market is heavily dominated by US originating passengers right now, and nobody in the USA has heard of Jet2 (or wants to go to Manchester or Newcastle).

Good luck if true, I’d imagine it’s not though.
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 19:53
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That's assuming they would be used in new long haul markets. Could just be used to upgauge their existing markets, though neither seems particularly likely (there, I've just guaranteed the order....)
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 20:04
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
That's assuming they would be used in new long haul markets. Could just be used to upgauge their existing markets, though neither seems particularly likely (there, I've just guaranteed the order....)

In which case they’d be better off dragging some 15-20 year old A330s out of Alice Springs or Victorville. Brand new widebodies are incredibly expensive assets to be using on short haul, where the fuel savings are marginal compared to older aircraft with significantly cheaper leasing costs.

These aircraft would have to be used year round, and there are very few short haul markets that require that capacity in November-March (excluding Christmas and half term).
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 21:03
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Just as long as they don’t paint them in that god awful Holidays livery!
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 21:15
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Originally Posted by chinapattern
Just as long as they don’t paint them in that god awful Holidays livery!
Much prefer it to the silver/red scheme. Air Tanker A330s look great in Jet2 temporary livery Just add a sunrise tail and ditch that tacky slogan 'friendly low fares'.
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 22:08
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I tend to agreed using the older A330 airframe re new purchase as there are some routes to the Spanish resorts and indeed probably Turkey / Cyprus where that carrying capacity at certain time of the year would be useful. Indeed I noted a Conder A330 today in Palma but you don’t need that lifting capability year round apart from maybe to the Canaries.

Jet 2 have a good history it seems with older aircraft so does the new airframe bring other advantages in either fuel burn or something else which makes a new purchase advantageous?

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Old 16th Jun 2023, 22:36
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Dear Mr Airbus

Having recently signed a deal for 35 A20N's (Possible increase to 71), and 63 A21N's (Possible increase to 75). Would it be possible to sit around the table and discuss the acquisition of A339's that would be beneficial to both of us?
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Old 16th Jun 2023, 22:43
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To be honest I don't see Jet2 owned A330s based anywhere outside of MAN
Birmingham and Stansted I feel will move to A321-dominated hubs rather than taking on A330s
6-10 would represent a 3-7 A330 upgauge. I feel as if 3-4 of those would be dedicated to Caribbean/other long haul flying
I think a Jet2 base at Gatters is where you will see A330s.
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Old 17th Jun 2023, 05:38
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Originally Posted by laviation
I think a Jet2 base at Gatters is where you will see A330s.
And where do you expect Jet2 to get these LGW slots from?
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Old 17th Jun 2023, 07:11
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There are already a lot of flights ex LGW
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Old 17th Jun 2023, 07:58
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Originally Posted by chaps1954
There are already a lot of flights ex LGW
A few unprofitable charter flights to keep the fleet moving in the depths of winter is a bit different to having enough peak time slots to open a year round base of any significance.

The existing operators will not let Jet2 in. Just look at BA, they’d rather lease slots to easyJet than give them up to the open market.
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Old 17th Jun 2023, 08:34
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Yes Vokes I agree, Jet2 have pushed TUI out of much of their UK business, mind you TUI have helped by their poor service now days
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
A few unprofitable charter flights to keep the fleet moving in the depths of winter is a bit different to having enough peak time slots to open a year round base of any significance.

The existing operators will not let Jet2 in. Just look at BA, they’d rather lease slots to easyJet than give them up to the open market.
I realise that you consider yourself some kind of expert but WHY would Jet2 operate unprofitable flights when there is no need to "keep the fleet moving"?
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Old 17th Jun 2023, 09:17
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Originally Posted by laviation
To be honest I don't see Jet2 owned A330s based anywhere outside of MAN
Birmingham and Stansted
I think a Jet2 base at Gatters is where you will see A330s.
You’ve just completely contradicted yourself there!
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Old 17th Jun 2023, 09:21
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Originally Posted by chinapattern
You’ve just completely contradicted yourself there!
I was referring to current bases when stating "not outside of MAN"
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