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Good July
Jet2 were the only UK airline not to cancel a flight in July.
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co..../20603858.amp/
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Fatigue Concerns
Jet2 slammed by unions for not wanting to engage in a discussion about pilot fatigue.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...32993.html?amp
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Originally Posted by P330
Jet2 slammed by unions for not wanting to engage in a discussion about pilot fatigue.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...32993.html?amp
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...32993.html?amp
I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.
If it ain't broke...
Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.
I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.
If it ain't broke...
I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.
If it ain't broke...
“Jet2 pilots have asked Balpa to work with the airline to agree meaningful safety protections for their rosters in light of the current - more permissive - European flight time rules, which Balpa believes some airlines use as targets and not maximum limits,” the union said in a statement.
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It rather depends on whether the union has majority support to start throwing its weight around. And one might also ask how the state of the general “relationships” are between BALPA and Jet2 😜
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.
I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.
If it ain't broke...
I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.
If it ain't broke...
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Originally Posted by speed13ird
you have completely missed the point, why were you fatigued?
If it was due to family and personal circumstances preventing you resting it isn’t. If it was due to rostering practises then in view of the topic it might be of legitimate interest.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.
I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.
If it ain't broke...
I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.
If it ain't broke...
I read the internal J2 BALPA communications in the lead up to the “going public”.
To me, it’s obvious that the CC are, understandably, frustrated with the continuing stance of the Company in belligerently refusing to discuss “rostering”
However, the press article honestly took me quite by surprise. I found it sensationalist, ill timed and thought out.
Quite frankly, I didn’t recognise or agree with its claims.
I wholeheartedly agree with Chesty. When I’ve felt at any time fatigued I’ve gone through the Company process with “ no comeback, no calls, nothing”
What would have been logged though, is a “fatigue report” for the company to add to the stats.
The trouble I believe is that there are too few of us doing this and so the Company can argue that there isn’t a problem.
I hear all too often from colleagues that complain of bad rostering and feeling fatigued but it transpires that they’ve agreed to work days off, swop rostered duties and accept roster changes when not obliged to.
We’re our own worst enemy !
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Originally Posted by Bam Thwok
I’m with Chesty on this one.
I read the internal J2 BALPA communications in the lead up to the “going public”.
To me, it’s obvious that the CC are, understandably, frustrated with the continuing stance of the Company in belligerently refusing to discuss “rostering”
However, the press article honestly took me quite by surprise. I found it sensationalist, ill timed and thought out.
Quite frankly, I didn’t recognise or agree with its claims.
I wholeheartedly agree with Chesty. When I’ve felt at any time fatigued I’ve gone through the Company process with “ no comeback, no calls, nothing”
What would have been logged though, is a “fatigue report” for the company to add to the stats.
The trouble I believe is that there are too few of us doing this and so the Company can argue that there isn’t a problem.
I hear all too often from colleagues that complain of bad rostering and feeling fatigued but it transpires that they’ve agreed to work days off, swop rostered duties and accept roster changes when not obliged to.
We’re our own worst enemy !
I read the internal J2 BALPA communications in the lead up to the “going public”.
To me, it’s obvious that the CC are, understandably, frustrated with the continuing stance of the Company in belligerently refusing to discuss “rostering”
However, the press article honestly took me quite by surprise. I found it sensationalist, ill timed and thought out.
Quite frankly, I didn’t recognise or agree with its claims.
I wholeheartedly agree with Chesty. When I’ve felt at any time fatigued I’ve gone through the Company process with “ no comeback, no calls, nothing”
What would have been logged though, is a “fatigue report” for the company to add to the stats.
The trouble I believe is that there are too few of us doing this and so the Company can argue that there isn’t a problem.
I hear all too often from colleagues that complain of bad rostering and feeling fatigued but it transpires that they’ve agreed to work days off, swop rostered duties and accept roster changes when not obliged to.
We’re our own worst enemy !
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Originally Posted by P330
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Originally Posted by lfc84
Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response
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Originally Posted by lfc84
Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response
What a stupid comment to make and not knowing the full story and what crew were involved in the incident i suggest you refrain from posting comments like this
Originally Posted by Flying Wild
They are not trained in restraint techniques. If they attempted to physically restrain a passenger and something untoward resulted, they'd be out with the company SOPs and probably left to face subsequent legal action themselves.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
I think that's none of your business.
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Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response
For a start, there are inconsistences with what is/was being reported, and what the video shows. Agreed, the passenger is behaving in an unacceptable manner towards a cabin crew member and another passenger. Given the stature female staff involved, and the abuse she was subjected to, I applaud her efforts to remain calm. I wasn’t there but it does appear that a fellow passenger intervened to alleviate the situation. However, I feel there is more to this incident than journalism and social media are enabling constructive comment to be made.
It was a serious incident necessitating a divert to offload the offending passenger. I for one am prepared to wait for an official outcome, before falling foul of casting ill-informed judgment.
I thought the Air Navigation Order exists to give crew very strong powers to do whatever seems necessary at the time, especially post 9/11?
