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For a start, there are inconsistences with what is/was being reported, and what the video shows.
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Originally Posted by speed13ird
If I may rephrase my point, if it's a personal issue you call in sick, but if you are fatigued due poor rostering or unforeseen circumstances then it's not a personal issue is it?
But whether a personal issue or not it's still not any of your business why I may have done any of the above.
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G-VYGL went back to Brize Norton in Early hours of this morning after getting back from Dalaman. Parked at the Air Tanker area at the moment. Not sure if it was scheduled for any flights today or not
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So I see Jet2 have just announced their Iceland breaks for W23/24, looks like a decent schedule being offered and I'm glad to see this aspect of the operation growing. I presume the Christmas market breaks to Berlin, Vienna and the like will be coming up next.
Which begs the question, are we going to see a return of New York? As best I can tell they were turning a profit, more flights offered each year, even filling the A330's. What do we reckon? Will the A321neo's be able to cut it? AFAIK they aren't LR's, but there should be a couple in the fleet by W23.
Which begs the question, are we going to see a return of New York? As best I can tell they were turning a profit, more flights offered each year, even filling the A330's. What do we reckon? Will the A321neo's be able to cut it? AFAIK they aren't LR's, but there should be a couple in the fleet by W23.
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How long is EC-MAJ (Wamos) and the other 2 x A330's on lease until? Will any also be here for the Winter 2022 schedule?
I see Summer 2023 they have 3 booked in, where are these coming from? Guess it's 2 x Air Tanker, but what about the other?
I see Summer 2023 they have 3 booked in, where are these coming from? Guess it's 2 x Air Tanker, but what about the other?
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Do we think there will be any additional base expansion also?
Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter
Of that list, I would say Cardiff and Liverpool are the most likely. It depends on how much overlap their is with their own markets at Manchester/Bristol.
Then the big question is whether they want to try Gatwick at some stage. The south-east is about the only area of the UK they don't serve from existing bases, so i'm sure they could make it work. Getting enough slots to make it worthwhile might be the biggest obstacle.
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Originally Posted by ManUtd1999
In the short term I would imagine the focus is on restoring profitability post-Covid and riding out the looming recession. Longer term, it will be interesting to see where they go next. Excluding London, the busiest airports not served by Jet2 are:
Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter
Of that list, I would say Cardiff and Liverpool are the most likely. It depends on how much overlap their is with their own markets at Manchester/Bristol.
Then the big question is whether they want to try Gatwick at some stage. The south-east is about the only area of the UK they don't serve from existing bases, so i'm sure they could make it work. Getting enough slots to make it worthwhile might be the biggest obstacle.
Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter
Of that list, I would say Cardiff and Liverpool are the most likely. It depends on how much overlap their is with their own markets at Manchester/Bristol.
Then the big question is whether they want to try Gatwick at some stage. The south-east is about the only area of the UK they don't serve from existing bases, so i'm sure they could make it work. Getting enough slots to make it worthwhile might be the biggest obstacle.
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Originally Posted by ManUtd1999
In the short term I would imagine the focus is on restoring profitability post-Covid and riding out the looming recession. Longer term, it will be interesting to see where they go next. Excluding London, the busiest airports not served by Jet2 are:
Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter
Of that list, I would say Cardiff and Liverpool are the most likely. It depends on how much overlap their is with their own markets at Manchester/Bristol.
Then the big question is whether they want to try Gatwick at some stage. The south-east is about the only area of the UK they don't serve from existing bases, so i'm sure they could make it work. Getting enough slots to make it worthwhile might be the biggest obstacle.
Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter
Of that list, I would say Cardiff and Liverpool are the most likely. It depends on how much overlap their is with their own markets at Manchester/Bristol.
Then the big question is whether they want to try Gatwick at some stage. The south-east is about the only area of the UK they don't serve from existing bases, so i'm sure they could make it work. Getting enough slots to make it worthwhile might be the biggest obstacle.
They have already felt their way at Gatwick with the ski and Santa charters over the winter. The issue would be in finding suitable slots.
Initially, there will be expansion at Manchester and Birmingham with the new Airbus fleet. Probably some minor expansion at other bases as they balance the fleets.
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An interesting thought. Southampton has the potential to be an absolute gold mine for an airline like Jet2, providing they can iron out a few major issues.
Now we all know that Southampton has handled 737 800's, A321's and 757's in the past on an ad-hoc basis and A319/20's and E-195's on a regularly scheduled basis. However there are a number of important points.
1. People love Southampton, SOU/LGW have essentially the same catchment outside of London. The main difference is that most passengers prefer to use Southampton if it suits their needs. This relies on Southampton being able to absorb a 4, 6, 8, 10... However many aircraft base in the long term and still keep its attraction as a convenient, friendly, easy to use, small airport with brilliant public transport links. From personal experience, one of the best in the country and I love it. London City has managed to get up to 5mppa and keep its attraction, so it's not impossible. If Southampton clogs itself up though and becomes a sh*tshow... Advantage Gatwick.
2. Runway length. The extension will put SOU between SEN and BRS in terms of runway length. You can launch an A320 to the Canaries out of SEN and pretty much any narrowbody to anywhere meaningful out of SEN. So I'd be optimistic that the 738 SFP at LS could operate a meaningful number of their bread and butter routes, year round pretty reliably with only minimal penalties. I'd hope the same could be said for the A321neo, it appears to have great performance and Thomas Cook managed the bog standard A321 out of Bristol with 212 punters onboard... The A21N has to be better.
I reckon it's safe to say that continental Europe isn't going to be an issue at all. The canaries, further flung Greek islands and Cyprus might take occasional penalties.
3. Is there enough room for SOU to handle (for example, medium term, not an unreasonable estimate) 8 based aircraft up to the size of an A321neo. Park them overnight, boot them all out within 2-3 hours in the morning before receiving, turning and booting again in a wave in the afternoon? Firstly it appears that would take up half of the available stands. Stand 1 can't be used. Stands 13 and 14 are push and tow to A6, then start up, which would be a bit of a ballache but not the end of the world. It appears some work would need to be done to the terminal and apron to make SOU attractive to Jet2 and able to support a sizeable base. I can't see Jet2 being interested if they were capped at 2/3 aircraft.
Now we all know that Southampton has handled 737 800's, A321's and 757's in the past on an ad-hoc basis and A319/20's and E-195's on a regularly scheduled basis. However there are a number of important points.
1. People love Southampton, SOU/LGW have essentially the same catchment outside of London. The main difference is that most passengers prefer to use Southampton if it suits their needs. This relies on Southampton being able to absorb a 4, 6, 8, 10... However many aircraft base in the long term and still keep its attraction as a convenient, friendly, easy to use, small airport with brilliant public transport links. From personal experience, one of the best in the country and I love it. London City has managed to get up to 5mppa and keep its attraction, so it's not impossible. If Southampton clogs itself up though and becomes a sh*tshow... Advantage Gatwick.
2. Runway length. The extension will put SOU between SEN and BRS in terms of runway length. You can launch an A320 to the Canaries out of SEN and pretty much any narrowbody to anywhere meaningful out of SEN. So I'd be optimistic that the 738 SFP at LS could operate a meaningful number of their bread and butter routes, year round pretty reliably with only minimal penalties. I'd hope the same could be said for the A321neo, it appears to have great performance and Thomas Cook managed the bog standard A321 out of Bristol with 212 punters onboard... The A21N has to be better.
I reckon it's safe to say that continental Europe isn't going to be an issue at all. The canaries, further flung Greek islands and Cyprus might take occasional penalties.
3. Is there enough room for SOU to handle (for example, medium term, not an unreasonable estimate) 8 based aircraft up to the size of an A321neo. Park them overnight, boot them all out within 2-3 hours in the morning before receiving, turning and booting again in a wave in the afternoon? Firstly it appears that would take up half of the available stands. Stand 1 can't be used. Stands 13 and 14 are push and tow to A6, then start up, which would be a bit of a ballache but not the end of the world. It appears some work would need to be done to the terminal and apron to make SOU attractive to Jet2 and able to support a sizeable base. I can't see Jet2 being interested if they were capped at 2/3 aircraft.
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Do Jet2 operate the SFP 738? If so it would probably suit SOU quite comfortably. From small acorns and all that, I could imagine a LCC start up with a 2 plane base and to accommodate say a dozen routes initially
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I think Jet2 at Gatwick is very unlikely, as they have set up quite a decent operation at Stansted which works for them and Gatwick offers fierce completion from not only TUI but also all the low-cost carriers. Southampton I think could work well for them with a couple of based aircraft as said above operating key holiday routes (the usual Alicante, Malaga, Palma, Canaries, Greece, Turkey etc) with some scope of growth in the future. TUI operated quite an awful summer programme in terms of punctuality this year with many long delays, so may be able to entice people away from using TUI at Gatwick.
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Excluding London, the busiest airports not served by Jet2 are:
Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter
Liverpool, Aberdeen, Southampton, Cardiff, Doncaster, Exeter
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Originally Posted by SKOJB
Do Jet2 operate the SFP 738? If so it would probably suit SOU quite comfortably. From small acorns and all that, I could imagine a LCC start up with a 2 plane base and to accommodate say a dozen routes initially
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Originally Posted by Le Tirer
Post-COVID Bournemouth has been handling more passengers than Exeter and Southampton e.g July 2022 BOH 97,553, SOU 71,353, EXT 47,449
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Then the big question is whether they want to try Gatwick at some stage. The south-east is about the only area of the UK they don't serve from existing bases, so i'm sure they could make it work. Getting enough slots to make it worthwhile might be the biggest obstacle.
Did SOU agree restricted opening hours as part of the runway planning permission?
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According to rumour, Jet2 were looking at a Hurn base for 2021. 2020 had been considered, but a lack of crew thwarted that. Covid scuppered the plans.
