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What are your credentials exactly? What basis are you posting your information on? I haven't seen any of your posts backed up with evidence, You're acting like some sort of thread admin, check out what the R stands for in Pprune FFS.
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What do you expect them to do? Start posting sensitive company info and potentially put themselves in trouble just to prove to you they are who they say they are?
What are your credentials exactly? What basis are you posting your information on? I haven't seen any of your posts backed up with evidence, You're acting like some sort of thread admin, check out what the R stands for in Pprune FFS.
What are your credentials exactly? What basis are you posting your information on? I haven't seen any of your posts backed up with evidence, You're acting like some sort of thread admin, check out what the R stands for in Pprune FFS.
I've not exactly posted anything in defence nor been blunt with other members who are discussing - as you say discussing rumours. Meanwhile Mr blunt shuts it down without any clarity. Personally found it very rude considering, as you say, its a "RUMOUR" network.
I don't post information about the company which has not already been discussed previously or is sensitive. I discuss the rumours and/or give my opinion. Therefore I don't need credentials or to have a source to my information.
We all know Jet2 are astute and therefore Cape Verde, should they want to look at it, would be assessed suitably. The only other option is to have the crew fly as passengers one way and swap with the crew that took the aircraft out. Long ol' day for both but if it legally works then it works. Reduces cost.[/QUOTE]
I suspect that the number of fatigue reports they received from the crews operating back would hopefully put a stop to that pretty quickly. The crew sitting in the cabin on the way out get no “rest”, and are just as tired arriving at the destination as the crew who operated out, more so in fact as the seats in the cabin are far less comfortable than on the flight deck, even on a 737. This tired crew then have to jump in the front and fly back. It maybe “legal” as they are technically only operating one sector thus extending the maximum flight duty period, but it certainly isn’t safe.
I suspect that the number of fatigue reports they received from the crews operating back would hopefully put a stop to that pretty quickly. The crew sitting in the cabin on the way out get no “rest”, and are just as tired arriving at the destination as the crew who operated out, more so in fact as the seats in the cabin are far less comfortable than on the flight deck, even on a 737. This tired crew then have to jump in the front and fly back. It maybe “legal” as they are technically only operating one sector thus extending the maximum flight duty period, but it certainly isn’t safe.
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I suspect that the number of fatigue reports they received from the crews operating back would hopefully put a stop to that pretty quickly. The crew sitting in the cabin on the way out get no “rest”, and are just as tired arriving at the destination as the crew who operated out, more so in fact as the seats in the cabin are far less comfortable than on the flight deck, even on a 737. This tired crew then have to jump in the front and fly back. It maybe “legal” as they are technically only operating one sector thus extending the maximum flight duty period, but it certainly isn’t safe.
Lets hope that post Brexit the U.K. CAA don’t at some point to ditch the EASA rules…
And to go back to the original idea I was replying to that will at least stop it from happening as there would be no advantage. In dead heading the crew out, But I understand that TUI also operate from U.K. to Cape Verde and back on a 737 MAX in one crew rotation, so under whatever rules they use it should be possible on a 737-800 as well as on an Airbus.
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As a crew member I see no reason for that to be “unfortunate” but maybe it is for an airline manager who wants to reduce costs or a passenger who wants cheaper flights.
Lets hope that post Brexit the U.K. CAA don’t at some point to ditch the EASA rules…
And to go back to the original idea I was replying to that will at least stop it from happening as there would be no advantage. In dead heading the crew out, But I understand that TUI also operate from U.K. to Cape Verde and back on a 737 MAX in one crew rotation, so under whatever rules they use it should be possible on a 737-800 as well as on an Airbus.
Lets hope that post Brexit the U.K. CAA don’t at some point to ditch the EASA rules…
And to go back to the original idea I was replying to that will at least stop it from happening as there would be no advantage. In dead heading the crew out, But I understand that TUI also operate from U.K. to Cape Verde and back on a 737 MAX in one crew rotation, so under whatever rules they use it should be possible on a 737-800 as well as on an Airbus.
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Said poster later explains internal memo from Crew. Meanwhile Mr.Blunt over cannot back it up unless challenged.
You work where Manchester airport for Jet2? Your aware that things do change behind the scenes at pace and whilst you've been told one thing by the end of the week it could quite well be another.
You never know what the company are up to unless you're the MD or a director or sit within the planning team.
You work where Manchester airport for Jet2? Your aware that things do change behind the scenes at pace and whilst you've been told one thing by the end of the week it could quite well be another.
You never know what the company are up to unless you're the MD or a director or sit within the planning team.
As a crew member I see no reason for that to be “unfortunate” but maybe it is for an airline manager who wants to reduce costs or a passenger who wants cheaper flights.
Lets hope that post Brexit the U.K. CAA don’t at some point to ditch the EASA rules…
And to go back to the original idea I was replying to that will at least stop it from happening as there would be no advantage. In dead heading the crew out, But I understand that TUI also operate from U.K. to Cape Verde and back on a 737 MAX in one crew rotation, so under whatever rules they use it should be possible on a 737-800 as well as on an Airbus.
Lets hope that post Brexit the U.K. CAA don’t at some point to ditch the EASA rules…
And to go back to the original idea I was replying to that will at least stop it from happening as there would be no advantage. In dead heading the crew out, But I understand that TUI also operate from U.K. to Cape Verde and back on a 737 MAX in one crew rotation, so under whatever rules they use it should be possible on a 737-800 as well as on an Airbus.
Add in the low cost index, and no ACTs and there’s not a hope in hell they are going to make it there and back in one FDP. You need the low cost index because there are no ACTs.
TUI are doing the return flights on the MAX from BRS, as I understand, so presumably that means slightly shorter flight times this fitting in with the current rules.
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My own problem now with Jet 2 is that it is no longer an airline, more a holiday company, but with an airline strapped on. The reverse of how it started. It is very hard to book a flight with descent flight times without taking up their hotel option.
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this changed recently to 4 out of 7, I believe this is pushing people on to EZY and FR.
I understand they have hotels to sell, and it might work for them, BUT it could be a dangerous move to neglect their flight only customers many who fly multiple times year to and from their holiday homes.
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That only started recently. For Summer 22 and into this Summer. I agree it's annoying for seat only customers and is quite off putting.
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That’s exactly why J2 have survived…. Without the holiday company J2.com would have been dead years ago ! It’s unlikely they would have made a 7 year birthday, let alone the 20 year anniversary just gone !
The “holiday company” have been the driving force for years now…. It dictates where and when it wants the “airline” to go, and has clearly driven the business to where it is today.
It’s not rocket science…. a package holiday yields a lot more £££ per seat than flight only and as it now occupies the majority of seats on every flight, they have “first dibs” on the seat availability.
Yes, flight only is still hugely important. But there is much more competition in that sector and the yield is minimal.
The clientele are much more fickle too and quite frankly, “loyalty” means bollox.
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Is that right? I’ve never had a particular issue although admittedly I travel with them infrequently. It seems to me more a reflection of their destinations. Eg with the Canaries and Greek islands Ryanair, EZY often seem to have one of the inbound or outbound timed much earlier or later than I’d prefer.
If you visit TUI's websites (not just UK but other European countries as well), you will see many flights available either only on package holidays (ie not available as flight only) or being quoted at vastly inflated flight-only prices. I can think of other package-holiday-centric airlines in Europe which do this as well. Jet2 are definitely not the only ones doing this.
If you want a particular flight, you may need to wait until a fortnight before travel date when a firm has a better idea of how many seats will not be sold for package holidays and starts releasing the remainder for flight-only sale at realistic prices
The relationship between airline and paying passenger is a business relationship... and the airline aims to maximise profit.
If you want a particular flight, you may need to wait until a fortnight before travel date when a firm has a better idea of how many seats will not be sold for package holidays and starts releasing the remainder for flight-only sale at realistic prices
The relationship between airline and paying passenger is a business relationship... and the airline aims to maximise profit.
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