Jet2-6

[ImagineIf]

SmartLynx

A321 YL-LDO - Former Finnair (OH-LZC) has joined SmartLynx and is now based at BHX as a standby aircraft to support the fleet of 4 currently operating for Jet2.

Operated by Finnair from delivery in 2000 making her a 22 year old vintage.

[OltonPete]

BHX

Originally Posted by ImagineIf

A321 YL-LDO - Former Finnair (OH-LZC) has joined SmartLynx and is now based at BHX as a standby aircraft to support the fleet of 4 currently operating for Jet2.

Operated by Finnair from delivery in 2000 making her a 22 year old vintage.

About time - shocking last weekend and again yesterday. BHX - Bergerac bussed to Leeds (one of many bussed away in the last few weeks), come on get a grip, even at TUI have been subbing in and getting flights away from the right airport (in respect of BHX). The golden halo has somewhat slipped over the last few weeks and let's hope it is put back in place quickly. I suppose if you set high standards and they slip it is more noticeable.

Pete

[LBAflyer22]

Originally Posted by OltonPete

About time - shocking last weekend and again yesterday. BHX - Bergerac bussed to Leeds (one of many bussed away in the last few weeks), come on get a grip, even at TUI have been subbing in and getting flights away from the right airport (in respect of BHX). The golden halo has somewhat slipped over the last few weeks and let's hope it is put back in place quickly. I suppose if you set high standards and they slip it is more noticeable.

Pete

So they've bussed a few people to Leeds so what? And I guess you mean them operating from East Midlands instead of Birmingham? So you'd rather them suffer hefty delays from Birmingham with flights, potentially then not able to fly the return the next day, bring it back the next day then suffer 6+ delays from the morning and god knows in the evening. Two choices as an Arm Chair CEO to make - keep rolling with hefty delays from Birmingham, some as big as 9+ hours, that keep rolling and rolling and eventually your facing 24/36/48 hour delays OR move them next door in the grand scheme of airports, and have them go with minimal delay, minimal disruption.Looks to me like the real CEO's/Management got it right.

It's a minor inconvenience. But given the bigger picture what else is there to do? Roll with bigger and bigger delays? At least they didn't decide to operate from Stansted or Leeds or worse - Newcastle for those flights.

TUI - I mean there problems are well documented. But going on a holiday on a Sunday but not flying until Thursday (Cape Verde ring any alarms) I think I know where I'd be putting my trust and money.

[Local Variation]

People flying Birmingham to Bergerac being bussed to Leeds is quote “doing them a favour.’

I take it you don’t work in a customer facing role or were you the bus driver?

[LBAflyer22]

Originally Posted by Local Variation

People flying Birmingham to Bergerac being bussed to Leeds is quote “doing them a favour.’

I take it you don’t work in a customer facing role or were you the bus driver?

When did I ever say it was doing them a favour? I don't ever recall saying that nor putting that. What I have done is given the bigger picture. Maybe I need to paint it a little more clearer for you:

Do Jet2 have 737-300's based at Birmingham? No.
Does Jet2 have any pilots that are 737-300 rated @ BHX? No because they don't base them at BHX so why would they waste money/time and ultimately the pilots time rating them for "what if" events.
Are the engineers rated on the 737-300 at Birmingham? Probably not. Cause guess what - they don't base 737-800s at BHX.
What would happen if that 737-300 went tech on arrival? Well some would be moaning that the flight probably got cancelled or worse delay by 24 hours.
What would happen if that 737-300 got stuck in BHX through crew hours (I'd suggest doing some bed time reading)? Probably have an affect on the next day's flying from Leeds and take crew from Leeds to collect the aircraft and bring it back.
So is it beneficial to operate from LBA given they also had multitude of issues with Smart Lynx and Hi Fly aircraft thus taking the standby 737-800's which is well documented for them having? Yes.

You're aware that flying it from LBA to BHX and vice versa is another sector. And more sectors = less crew hours incase things go wrong.

[Local Variation]

Re-read your own post. It’s not hard to find.

[A340600MAN]

I have just booked a flight to Arrecife, Lanzarote for September 23. The seating configuration was a 2-4-2. Is this a A330 Air Tanker configuration? Picked row 20 left hand side seats and the confirmation came back as seats 20A and 20C.

[jon01]

Possibly, but it could also be an old 767!

Maybe ask on the TUI thread?

[LBA]

Where does it say they are flying with TUI?

[P330]

Is anyone aware of the expected delivery plan for the NEOs, beyond the from 2023 general comment in the original press release?

Any internal news yet on where initial deployments will be?

Given summer 23 is on sale, thought we would be seeing something by now...

[jethro15]

Given summer 23 is on sale, thought we would be seeing something by now...

Long gone are the days of we have the aircraft, let us see if we can fill the seats.

Now, it's a case of let's sell the seats, and worry if we can full fill our obligation later.

A business plan that is not just aimed at Jet2. Others know who they are.

[OltonPete]

Jet2

[QUOTE=LBAflyer22;11248769]So they've bussed a few people to Leeds so what? And I guess you mean them operating from East Midlands instead of Birmingham? So you'd rather them suffer hefty delays from Birmingham with flights, potentially then not able to fly the return the next day, bring it back the next day then suffer 6+ delays from the morning and god knows in the evening. Two choices as an Arm Chair CEO to make - keep rolling with hefty delays from Birmingham, some as big as 9+ hours, that keep rolling and rolling and eventually your facing 24/36/48 hour delays OR move them next door in the grand scheme of airports, and have them go with minimal delay, minimal disruption.Looks to me like the real CEO's/Management got it right.

It's a minor inconvenience. But given the bigger picture what else is there to do? Roll with bigger and bigger delays? At least they didn't decide to operate from Stansted or Leeds or worse - Newcastle for those flights.

The Leeds example was just that and I am sure that decision wasn't taken lightly but I think you are deluded if you think these decisions are taken for the passengers benefit, in some cases it will be at the accountants behest. Not specifically that weekend but Jet2 have hardly subbed in at BHX, whereas other airlines have managed to find aircraft and whether that is just bad luck (others got in first) or down to the purse strings being tightened, I don't know and it could be said it is fair enough decision if it compromises the company finances but what is irritating, are appeasers believing that these decisions are always in the best interest of the passengers.

Pete

[SealinkBF]

UK Leisure Carrier Jet2 Lashes Out at ‘Atrocious’ Airports
UK Flight Chaos: Holiday Airlines Jet2 Lashes Out at ‘Atrocious’ Airports - Bloomberg

Jet2 isn't pulling any punches...

[The96er]

Originally Posted by SealinkBF

UK Leisure Carrier Jet2 Lashes Out at ‘Atrocious’ Airports
UK Flight Chaos: Holiday Airlines Jet2 Lashes Out at ‘Atrocious’ Airports - Bloomberg

Jet2 isn't pulling any punches...

He’s correct though. All involved from the airlines to the suppliers are all guilty of the same approach to recruitment and training that existed pre Covid. In order to be fully staffed and trained for the summer, recruitments needs to have been started by Christmas time at the latest. Most companies start their process around March time in order to not have staff on the books. The problem all stakeholders now have is that they’e in a constant death spiral in such that the workload is impossible for those currently doing the job, and new starters walk in an see the chaos and carnage and simply leave. The existing staff can only take so much and either go off sick or just leave themselves and the spiral down continues further.

[Jamesair1]

Maybe Jet 2 have the right approach in doing their own handling at their larger bases. Certainly gives them control of wages and conditions of work without being reliant of third parties.

[P330]

Pay Rise & Bonus

Jet2 announce 8% pay rise for staff plus a cost of living bonus.

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...and-1000-bonus

[ImagineIf]

Originally Posted by ImagineIf

A321 YL-LDO - Former Finnair (OH-LZC) has joined SmartLynx and is now based at BHX as a standby aircraft to support the fleet of 4 currently operating for Jet2.

Operated by Finnair from delivery in 2000 making her a 22 year old vintage.

This did not last very long, DO was sent up to MAN days after entering service to operate for TUI so as it stands there is no SmartLynx standby aircraft on station for Jet2 at BHX. This seems to be creating quite the headache with multiple downgrades to the 737 and gnarly delays at times. Looks like 9H-SLG had a little holiday in ZTH having gone AOG on arrival. It only got back to BHX yesterday .

I suspect the decision makers are regretting jumping back in bed with SmartLynx, performance seems to echo 2018 & 2019 yet amplified with 4 aircraft flying for them.

[ZULUBOY]

There was a Smartlynx doing circles over my house in Brum this morning. FR suggests it took off destined for Faro and came back again.

[Matt995]

Originally Posted by ImagineIf

This did not last very long, DO was sent up to MAN days after entering service to operate for TUI so as it stands there is no SmartLynx standby aircraft on station for Jet2 at BHX. This seems to be creating quite the headache with multiple downgrades to the 737 and gnarly delays at times. Looks like 9H-SLG had a little holiday in ZTH having gone AOG on arrival. It only got back to BHX yesterday .

I suspect the decision makers are regretting jumping back in bed with SmartLynx, performance seems to echo 2018 & 2019 yet amplified with 4 aircraft flying for them.

YL-LDO was never a stand by aircraft for Jet2 at Birmingham, was always planned to operate for TUI out of Manchester.

The Smart Lynx A321's have been nothing but a headache for them, technical issues, delayed departures, meaning the crew go out of hours at the destination airport, I wonder if the first new A321 neos might be used to replace them for Summer 2023?

[ImagineIf]

Originally Posted by Matt995

YL-LDO was never a stand by aircraft for Jet2 at Birmingham, was always planned to operate for TUI out of Manchester.

The Smart Lynx A321's have been nothing but a headache for them, technical issues, delayed departures, meaning the crew go out of hours at the destination airport, I wonder if the first new A321 neos might be used to replace them for Summer 2023?

With respect, YL-LDO was allocated to be a "pool standby aircraft" stationed at BHX (correct as at June) and by "pool" I mean available to support Jet2 if any of their leased A321's fall over as well as other operators currently with SmartLynx aircraft. So yes the aircraft could end up with TUi, easyjet etc etc. DO was called into action just the other week for Jet2 but the flight ended up not going due to further issues. TUi do have an agreement with SmartLynx for an A321 but DO was not the original contender. SmartLynx have a few more 321's coming online of which YL-LDR is the assigned frame for TUi at MAN - it is however not expected in service until the middle of the month I am reliably informed. All subject to change of course...

My point is, there was an agreement for a standby aircraft for Jet2 (albeit shared) and currently there still isn't one because DO is now flying a full line for TUi out of MAN until another 321 is in service. I can't imagine Jet2 are impressed with the situation, the pool aircraft was never intended to go off to work for another operator for several weeks. Alas until SmartLynx physically have the extra frames the redundancy will not be there.

Jet2 will of course be looking to reduce their dependency on ACMI as soon as possible with the arrival of their own NEOs but it will be a complex transitional period. The arrival of the NEOs for them will see the 757 departures begin again and in time 733's & older 738's, lots of training/re-training for Flight & Cabin Crew involved. It may be a stretch to have a NEO flying from BHX by next summer but perhaps they will move their 3 A321-200s down from MAN as the NEOs arrive. Then perhaps ACMI & subpar service delivery can be avoided.