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Old 6th Feb 2023, 11:56
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STN-BVC from late june looks promising
??? Are you sure of the destination ?
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Old 6th Feb 2023, 23:41
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Originally Posted by azz767
I wonder if the sketchy reliability of Smartlynx at BHX has made them look elsewhere, or whether this is actually additional capacity.
Nailed it. Never again...
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 09:49
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Originally Posted by SamuelDonuts
Nailed it. Never again...
Proof they actually care about their reputation and passengers. TUI on the other hand have yet again leased them in for the summer. Even after the disastrous mess they caused them last year.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 10:45
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I think Condor also terminated their contract with SmartLynx at the beginning of the year? Mustn't be good for SmartLynx anyway.
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BVC?

Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
??? Are you sure of the destination ?
doesn't currently feature on website as holiday destination or flight only.

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Old 8th Feb 2023, 11:58
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
Proof they actually care about their reputation and passengers. TUI on the other hand have yet again leased them in for the summer. Even after the disastrous mess they caused them last year.
Let's hope some old SAS 738s and desert stored examples work out.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 15:13
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
Proof they actually care about their reputation and passengers. TUI on the other hand have yet again leased them in for the summer. Even after the disastrous mess they caused them last year.
Haha yeah because airexplore and smartwings are so much better.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 15:36
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Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
Haha yeah because airexplore and smartwings are so much better.
Statistically Smartwings are, but i cant comment on Airexplore. The main point is, Smartlynx let them down hugely last year. Luckily Jet2 managed to action plenty of contingency plans so not to impact their holiday pax too much. Something TUI in the UK did not / were unable to with their Smartlynx operation last year. Lets hope they have learnt from their mistakes.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 17:32
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
Statistically Smartwings are, but i cant comment on Airexplore. The main point is, Smartlynx let them down hugely last year. Luckily Jet2 managed to action plenty of contingency plans so not to impact their holiday pax too much. Something TUI in the UK did not / were unable to with their Smartlynx operation last year. Lets hope they have learnt from their mistakes.
Nonsense. Jet2 were just as badly affected as TUI (and EZY). Every weekend of the summer was a total shambles for Jet2 at BHX.

Jet2 fanboyism alive and well on Pprune.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 18:54
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
??? Are you sure of the destination ?
I'm convinced that I saw a post somewhere about Jet2 flights to Cape Verde being rumoured for this year and a reference to there being more padding required on the seats....can't for the life of me find it now.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 18:56
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The main thing is that they have learned from last year and are looking at alternatives to SmartLynx, which shows that they are at least trying to do better than last year. You can't knock them for that.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
Nonsense. Jet2 were just as badly affected as TUI (and EZY). Every weekend of the summer was a total shambles for Jet2 at BHX.

Jet2 fanboyism alive and well on Pprune.
Oh dear Vokes. You just canít help yourself from doing a bit of Jet2 bashing can you. Your claim that Jet2 was just as badly affected as TUI isnít reflected in the news headlines from last summer is it? I donít recall the police being called to any Jet2 aircraft to tell the seated customers to get off as their flight (and holiday) was cancelled!
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 21:36
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Originally Posted by Kevgti
I'm convinced that I saw a post somewhere about Jet2 flights to Cape Verde being rumoured for this year and a reference to there being more padding required on the seats....can't for the life of me find it now.
If Cape Verde was going to happen this summer, then it would have been put on sale by now.

It will also most likely require night-stopping of crew in CV. I believe Tui only crew flights on both rotations if on the 787? 737 crew have to night stop. This would add complexity to the Jet2 flying program as they havenít yet dipped their toes in such a regular operation.

Iím also not sure if the 737-800 has the legs for it? I believe Tui utilises the MAX?

Something for the 757/A321. Neither of which are based at STN. Not their own metal anyway.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 21:42
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
Nonsense. Jet2 were just as badly affected as TUI (and EZY). Every weekend of the summer was a total shambles for Jet2 at BHX.


Jet2 fanboyism alive and well on Pprune.

Printout out the truth is not fanboysim. It's simply the truth. Jet2 were able to recovery quickly and make more contingency plans. I don't think, even if first summer back, the Wamos A330 was in the plans but ended up been in the plans due to the Smartlynx fiasco.
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Old 8th Feb 2023, 21:44
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Originally Posted by Yeehaw22
Haha yeah because airexplore and smartwings are so much better.
They briefly dealt with AirExplore last year in EMA for 2 weeks.

Smartwings have a reputation which they'll have to live up to. This is proof that Jet2 don't mess about and if an ACMI carrier is crap they are shown the door.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 09:49
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
They briefly dealt with AirExplore last year in EMA for 2 weeks.

Smartwings have a reputation which they'll have to live up to. This is proof that Jet2 don't mess about and if an ACMI carrier is crap they are shown the door.
AirExplore operated on behalf of Sun Express into MAN this past summer on one of the AYT rotations and proved themselves to be very reliable and professional in their operation.
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Jet2/TUI

Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
Printout out the truth is not fanboysim. It's simply the truth. Jet2 were able to recovery quickly and make more contingency plans. I don't think, even if first summer back, the Wamos A330 was in the plans but ended up been in the plans due to the Smartlynx fiasco.
From memory as a BHX watcher this is more how I remember it looking back at various forums etc. Of course a very different situation between the two at BHX with Jet2 at the mercy of Smartlynx with TUI all in-house issues on short-haul. BHX had no short-haul leases for TUI and the issues were all around aircraft and crew availability whereas Jet2 seemed to be fine with their own fleet and resolved the Smartlynx issue by changing from a 4 aircraft operation to a three aircraft operation which I am sure inconvenienced some passengers as dropping two flights a day from 220 seats to 189 can't have been easy but in general it worked well. Often all four A321's flew but instead of 16 sectors between them just 12.

Again from memory TUI also sorted out short-haul and it was just long-haul that had the main issues. I think what helped was Jet2 always planned to have a spare 738 at BHX and all that changed in the end is that swapped to one of the A321's.

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Old 9th Feb 2023, 11:39
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Originally Posted by Kevgti
I'm convinced that I saw a post somewhere about Jet2 flights to Cape Verde being rumoured for this year and a reference to there being more padding required on the seats....can't for the life of me find it now.
I've just returned from Cape Verde and the TUI reps were actually wanting Jet2 to start there. They think that TUI are begining to be too comfortable and prices too high.

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Old 9th Feb 2023, 18:34
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If Cape Verde was going to happen this summer, then it would have been put on sale by now.

It will also most likely require night-stopping of crew in CV. I believe Tui only crew flights on both rotations if on the 787? 737 crew have to night stop. This would add complexity to the Jet2 flying program as they havenít yet dipped their toes in such a regular operation.

Iím also not sure if the 737-800 has the legs for it? I believe Tui utilises the MAX?

Something for the 757/A321. Neither of which are based at STN. Not their own metal anyway.

As the a321 neo start to arrive giving better range then, just maybe, that is when Jet2 will start 'dipping their toes into such operations' with a long term plan for further expansion.
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Old 9th Feb 2023, 18:39
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Originally Posted by leadinghand

Iím also not sure if the 737-800 has the legs for it? I believe Tui utilises the MAX?
The 737-800 is capable on the route, but only from SID in most weather conditions. TUI Germany and TUI Netherlands have used them for years on the routes. TUI Airways had planned to use the 738 from DSA at one point.

As you mentioned though, when the A321neos start arriving, i'd expect to see both BVC and SID introduced.
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