Teesside-2

[N707ZS]

Ah, council election time.

[highwideandugly]

Interesting to see the master plan financial figures update when available.

Todays movements …a couple of Cessnas,a Ryanair,an Amsterdam and an Aberdeen..usual suspects. Peak Easter time for flights…

Yes , I know ancillary work is on going..but those profits just seem so far away?

Unless The mayor knows otherwise?

[P330]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Interesting to see the master plan financial figures update when available.

Todays movements …a couple of Cessnas,a Ryanair,an Amsterdam and an Aberdeen..usual suspects. Peak Easter time for flights…

Yes , I know ancillary work is on going..but those profits just seem so far away?

Unless The mayor knows otherwise?

Haven’t you asked this question, in different forms, multiple times?

I don’t think the answer will change materially from one month to the next so why keep asking?

Things are improving.,,,another record year on the cards…,,

[GrahamK]

The future of MME isnt in pax ops, but in more specialist ops such as Willis etc. I wouldnt expect much more, hell,TUI ae dropping AYT for DLM after 1 year.

[highwideandugly]

Usual back of fag packet workings....departing passengers up to 194 per day from 173 in January.

Freight boosted by Nissan also increased inbound..nothing noted outbound this month.

Movements boosted by mainly Falcons and Aero L159 movements also increased.

[Doctor Cruces]

What a sad pass MME has come to. When I worked for BMA back in the day there we had 4 LHR rotations a day, DAn Air Ams, BOH via MAN, CWL and BRS, the Air Anglia NWI to ABZ and many IT charters especially at week ends. I guess the big airport up the road became more attractive.

[pug]

Originally Posted by Doctor Cruces

What a sad pass MME has come to. When I worked for BMA back in the day there we had 4 LHR rotations a day, DAn Air Ams, BOH via MAN, CWL and BRS, the Air Anglia NWI to ABZ and many IT charters especially at week ends. I guess the big airport up the road became more attractive.

Not as many airlines around these days either, which is a big problem for the smaller airports.

[Harold77]

Originally Posted by Doctor Cruces

What a sad pass MME has come to. When I worked for BMA back in the day there we had 4 LHR rotations a day, DAn Air Ams, BOH via MAN, CWL and BRS, the Air Anglia NWI to ABZ and many IT charters especially at week ends. I guess the big airport up the road became more attractive.

When you consider that when the Airport was purchased in Feb 2019 there was only Aberdeen and Amsterdam routes with Jersey in the Summer. If covid hadn't hit then the airport would have been more established with the new Eastern routes bedded in.

We now have Aberdeen, Amsterdam & Alicante all year round. With summer season scheduled to Jersey, Corfu, Antalya, Palma, Faro, Bourgas, plus other summer and winter charters. Plus a large increase in business on site. The airport is growing as this last year has shown.

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[highwideandugly]

Airport and Freeport not withstanding.Private Eye is a fantastic read!

My only complaint is that .they bring lots to the public attention.. however nothing much seems to be sorted,concluded,solved or followed up on?

[s_insania]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Airport and Freeport not withstanding.Private Eye is a fantastic read!

My only complaint is that .they bring lots to the public attention.. however nothing much seems to be sorted,concluded,solved or followed up on?

Of course it’s a fantastic read to someone like you that thrives on negativity. What a wonderful life you must live

[Grumpy1]

So why is reporting the facts that should of great concern to supporters of the airport now reduced to thriving on negativity? It's either a dishonest report, evidence of mismanagement, or perhaps even worse. Please tell us all which part of the report is inaccurate or alternative why we should not be bothered.
The now struggling south side airport scheme was given away to the mayors sponsors in similar circumstances so anybody who cares about the airport should certainly be asking questions. The mayors reputation is now in tatters beyond his hard core supporters who choose to bury their heads in the sand and this in turn will impact on and damage the airport.

[P330]

The world of politics is murky; I hate it. Its a pony show with each side taking shots at each other backed up by angry polar opposites on social media looking for the demise of the opposition. Should we expect full transparency and better standards...of course we should...across the board.

But as I have said before....careful what you wish for. This is an aviation forum full of people who largely want our local airport to grow and thrive. If the Houchen witch-hunt ramps up and he is proven to be a bad apple or he gets sick of the noise and walks, who else will stand in and champion our cause with the financial clout to get us back in the black? I'm not saying he shouldn't be held to account, but I am also mindful that good things are happening on Teesside (airport and wider) and throwing stones may not be in the region's long term interest.

Anyway - onto more operational matters. A raft of TUI news around the regions this week on S24, Bournemouth and Newcastle for starters. If anything is happening with TUI on Teesside, you would expect an announcement soon wouldn't you?

[pug]

Originally Posted by P330

The world of politics is murky; I hate it. Its a pony show with each side taking shots at each other backed up by angry polar opposites on social media looking for the demise of the opposition. Should we expect full transparency and better standards...of course we should...across the board.

But as I have said before....careful what you wish for. This is an aviation forum full of people who largely want our local airport to grow and thrive. If the Houchen witch-hunt ramps up and he is proven to be a bad apple or he gets sick of the noise and walks, who else will stand in and champion our cause with the financial clout to get us back in the black? I'm not saying he shouldn't be held to account, but I am also mindful that good things are happening on Teesside (airport and wider) and throwing stones may not be in the region's long term interest.

Anyway - onto more operational matters. A raft of TUI news around the regions this week on S24, Bournemouth and Newcastle for starters. If anything is happening with TUI on Teesside, you would expect an announcement soon wouldn't you?

Isnt the whole point of the exercise to ensure the airport remains viable long after Ben Houchen goes off to Westminster or whatever his ambitions might be? So it is entirely appropriate that those who are pulling the strings are scrutinised, even on an aviation forum where some of the members might know a thing or two about what is going on that would otherwise remain under the carpet.

Regarding TUI, I too would be interested to see if anything new developed, however given you mentioned growth at NCL, is this not something to consider? Wouldn’t put it past TUI to be talking with LBA about expansion now too with the loss of their DSA base. Teesside have recently offered to pay Wizzair to start flying from there but they went to LBA instead.

[P330]

Originally Posted by pug

Isnt the whole point of the exercise to ensure the airport remains viable long after Ben Houchen goes off to Westminster or whatever his ambitions might be? So it is entirely appropriate that those who are pulling the strings are scrutinised, even on an aviation forum where some of the members might know a thing or two about what is going on that would otherwise remain under the carpet.

Regarding TUI, I too would be interested to see if anything new developed, however given you mentioned growth at NCL, is this not something to consider? Wouldn’t put it past TUI to be talking with LBA about expansion now too with the loss of their DSA base. Teesside have recently offered to pay Wizzair to start flying from there but they went to LBA instead.

Agree completely. It is entirely right people are scrutinised and I fully want people to be transparent and held to account. I'm just pragmatic enough to know what success could look like if Houchen is ousted and frankly I'm tired of reading (and yes, I should simply stop reading them), the monotonous anti-this, anti-that which just fills every comment space and political narrative. There is no wonder if takes forever to achieve anything in this country as we are incapable of agreeing on anything and the words "compromise", "debate" and "respect" seems to be consigned to history (for now).

[GrahamK]

I think Tui have announced all their UK expansion fit S24 today, with 11 extra aircraft around the network.

It appears MME will see PMI 2 x weekly and DLM 1 x weekly (replacing AYT)

[onion]

I am all for holding those accountable, but I often question motive on here!
It's not even 20 years ago that labour councils gave the airport away with clauses in there that handed the site on a plate.
At the time I saw very little on holding the labour councils accountable! Are those pursuing this doing so out of a personal hatred of the Tories and Ben or are genuinely wanting accountability? If so should questions be asked of Labour too?
We wouldnt necessarily be here if Labour hadn't given the place away!
That's the problem when the opposition in the council/government/any forum are not strong and can't hold the other accountable....

[SWBKCB]

It's not even 20 years ago that labour councils gave the airport away with clauses in there that handed the site on a plate.

The rationale at the time was that the airport needed to be expanded and that the local authorities had neither the money or the expertise to do so. I don't think it was considered at the time that it was being given away, but lets be fair there was plenty of criticism of how the airport was being run on these pages before Ben took over.

[pug]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

The rationale at the time was that the airport needed to be expanded and that the local authorities had neither the money or the expertise to do so. I don't think it was considered at the time that it was being given away, but lets be fair there was plenty of criticism of how the airport was being run on these pages before Ben took over.

Indeed taken on by a company who had facilitated the development of Liverpool from a tiny backwater airport to one of the busiest regional airports in the U.K. by employing a stack em high sell em cheap approach to getting airlines in. Unfortunately Teesside and Doncaster didn’t have the catchment areas large enough to generate the critical mass to be a success.

I’ve no doubt there is latent demand at Teesside, but not enough to be handling millions of passengers a year. There aren’t as many airlines around now as there were 20+ years ago, so less opportunity for growth in that sector.

Hopefully the ancillary stuff they are getting involved in at Teesside will future proof the site and allow it to continue after Ben Houchen goes elsewhere and takes his money tree with him.

[Beafer]

Will the mayor be going following the latest revelations.

A lot more is coming out in the press today about the Tees Valley Mayor, and politician are calling for an investigation.

Will the mayor try to bluff it out, or resign like Raab?

Maybe his friends are all in the same lodge?

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...nswer-26749752

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debat...3-04-20a.383.5

https://www.spottednews.uk/news/reme...ady-a-scandal/