Teesside-2

[highwideandugly]

Because of the size and structure of the airfield(apron,taxyways etc)…can the new Teesside deal with ….both maintenance and what it entails..plus the daily revenue input of schedules that Teesside folk are crying out for?
The Majority I would guess couldn’t care less about a stored aircraft,a repainted aircraft or an aircraft in for a new engine? They really just want to go to Alicante and other sunshine destinations?

Interesting conflict..at the end of the day..what is going to get the airport back in to profit?

[P330]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Because of the size and structure of the airfield(apron,taxyways etc)…can the new Teesside deal with ….both maintenance and what it entails..plus the daily revenue input of schedules that Teesside folk are crying out for?
The Majority I would guess couldn’t care less about a stored aircraft,a repainted aircraft or an aircraft in for a new engine? They really just want to go to Alicante and other sunshine destinations?

Interesting conflict..at the end of the day..what is going to get the airport back in to profit?

I am sure the majority of the public don’t care, you’re right. You’re also likely right that most just want more bucket and spade options.

But the people who do care are:

1/People wanting the airport to diversify and survive long term.
2/People looking for increased job opportunities in the region.
3/Taxpayers who have funded the airport revival who wants their investment protected.
4/The region generally that hopes to see a snowball effect of good news where investment leads to wider prosperity.
5/Casual observers, such as folk on here who are finally seeing positivity.

etc…

[Cautious Optimist]

Realistically how long will we be short of space now the Willis development has been approved? If they don't hang around, in theory you could have the apron part complete by year end? Certainly prior to the commencement of any new route expansion that may or may not happen.

[Diff Tail Shim]

Walk before running. MME sounds like a storage facility. One hangar and 6 aeroplanes wanting maintenance? BTW most people posting on here have never been inside the airside of MME. And really do not have a clue on what they are talking about. I can . So smell 🐂.

[Buster the Bear]

Tenants pay rent, so the more you have, the more that income helps to sustain the business. A brilliant example is Bournemouth. Total diversification where passengers are just another income stream.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Cautious Optimist

Realistically how long will we be short of space now the Willis development has been approved? If they don't hang around, in theory you could have the apron part complete by year end? Certainly prior to the commencement of any new route expansion that may or may not happen.

Hopefully not the same firm doing the southside road, then?

Didn't Willis once claim space to store up to 50 a/c? How much of the old tarmac on the southside is usable?.

[N707ZS]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Hopefully not the same firm doing the southside road, then?

Didn't Willis once claim space to store up to 50 a/c? How much of the old tarmac on the southside is usable?.

They still do somewhere. Remember what happened last time they stored aircraft Southside.

[highwideandugly]

So..the great and respectful DVTM movements site listed one KLM arrival and 2 departing KLM flights today.

Plus 2 Cherokee movements today.

Im certainly not an economics expert…but when you compare Doncaster flights and movements on closure..to this….can someone please explain how the airport is financially viable and Doncaster isn’t?

[pug]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

So..the great and respectful DVTM movements site listed one KLM arrival and 2 departing KLM flights today.

Plus 2 Cherokee movements today.

Im certainly not an economics expert…but when you compare Doncaster flights and movements on closure..to this….can someone please explain how the airport is financially viable and Doncaster isn’t?

Economies of scale. For a start KLM do not need the fire cover that a 737 or A320 requires. It probably has much lower overheads due to not being a large facility with H24 operations handling 737 sized aircraft multiple times per day, it also has a smaller footprint with more ancillary business on site that helps to pay the bills. Humberside currently operates to reduced operating hours and has the necessary fire and ATC cover out of hours when required for KLM or biz jet traffic. It’s being run on a shoe string with minimal staffing levels. Presumably Teesside is employing the same?

That said, it’s still losing the same amount as DSA was, just that the Regional Mayor has purchased it on a mandate to turn it around, jury still out whether this has happened or not.

Id be interested to know just how much the cost of handling 737 sized passenger aircraft has increased in the last 20 years since the days of IT Charter flights. Teesside and Humberside both did well in this regard back then, obviously volume is the name of the game now, and leisure airlines favour larger bases at fewer airports, however have the costs of handling these types of flights increased so much as to price out the smaller airports completely?

[Cautious Optimist]

I thought DSA lost significantly more than we do? Either way we've had a good week so Highwide or Beafer or some such keyboard warrior was always going to look for a downer to counter it

[P330]

Originally Posted by Cautious Optimist

I thought DSA lost significantly more than we do? Either way we've had a good week so Highwide or Beafer or some such keyboard warrior was always going to look for a downer to counter it

Agree completely. I was waiting for the naysayers to arrive with an old question to raise.

[highwideandugly]

Cautious Optimist….for a reason…

The airport is doing fantastically well..on a limited basis…no doubt there..I just can’t get my head around the economics of it all?

Just suspicious ..and doubtful that’s all?

A couple of stored/maintenance aircraft do not repay £20 million and more plus , back to the taxpayers and repayment of government loans?

An airport is an expensive thing to operate as we all know.

The forecast in profit by the incumbents by 2024/25..do not add up ..or do they?

[Harold77]

There will be more stuff flying than what is shown on the website. Hence this message on the website.
"All resident aircraft movements are logged, apart from single engine light aircraft with the exception of those that land away"

So even though doesn't look like anything there is still something happening.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Harold77

There will be more stuff flying than what is shown on the website. Hence this message on the website.
"All resident aircraft movements are logged, apart from single engine light aircraft with the exception of those that land away"

So even though doesn't look like anything there is still something happening.

Yes, there maybe resident training a/c flying, but they won't be adding much by way of economic activity.

The terminal is very quiet. It will be a while before that changes, this summer is pretty much steady as she goes and there is nothing as yet to say next winter will be any different.

Draken have increased and the new Willis facility looks like a fantastic addition - both should benefit the region by attracting skilled jobs, using the local supply chain etc.

And then we wait and see what happens on the southside.

[highwideandugly]

Loganair allocated 30 slot pairs from Heathrow..commencing May….flights back again??

Surely the mayor is on this!

[Beafer]

Accounts question.

On the airport company accounts, what do the outstanding charges mean?

This one is dated 2007.
https://find-and-update.company-info...PrvCZy0QIrvI-0

This one dated 2019.
https://find-and-update.company-info...WxC8Vr9BORv_qk

[davidjohnson6]

Anyone know what's behind the A321 YR-ADI from Romanian airline Aerro Direkt that used to fly as a wet lease for Air Moldova ending up in storage at MME ? It was Aerro Direkt's only aircraft so I'm wondering what this means for the future of Aerro Direkt
Yes, I'm aware insurance premiums have likely gone up recently for Moldova, much of Air Moldova's fleet is grounded in Verona + Montpellier, and the Moldova Govt really doesn't like Air Moldova being controlled by a pro-Russia politician

[SWBKCB]

Well, Pacific Shelf 1860 become Goosepool 2019 Ltd which is the financial holding company of the airport.

[N707ZS]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

Anyone know what's behind the A321 YR-ADI from Romanian airline Aerro Direkt that used to fly as a wet lease for Air Moldova ending up in storage at MME ? It was Aerro Direkt's only aircraft so I'm wondering what this means for the future of Aerro Direkt
Yes, I'm aware insurance premiums have likely gone up recently for Moldova, much of Air Moldova's fleet is grounded in Verona + Montpellier, and the Moldova Govt really doesn't like Air Moldova being controlled by a pro-Russia politician

Its owned by Willis.

[davidjohnson6]

Originally Posted by N707ZS

Its owned by Willis.

Why did Willis ask for it back, or why did Aerro Direkt give it back ?