Manchester-3

[BACsuperVC10]

Originally Posted by MANFOD

Further to Ozzy's comments in reply, I can recall 2 x Jet2 flights diverting from Leeds to Newcastle, 1 to Edinburgh and 1 to Glasgow when the RVR at LBA was <200m on R32. There may have been others. Usually, Jet2 would use MAN as their alternate from LBA if available. In addition, a KLM diverted to NCL that sometimes might take MAN. Ryanair tend to prefer LPL for their Leeds diversions but use MAN as well.

We may have a repetition if the fog forecast over the next few days affects certain airports, although I guess the number of flights will be less than the build up over the Christmas period. Not that it will be of any concern to MAN unless it causes problems for its own flights.

LPL also handled a KLM divert from LBA recently.

[HOVIS]

Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn

Well at least you must know or care on this issue then. A big improvement in your demeanour.

I presume that you are offering feedback and suggesting remedies to those who can address the issues you identify?

YES, I care because it causes me and my work colleagues extra work.
If by feedback you mean phoning the help line to get the problems fixed, frankly I've given up. As I approach retirement I have decided that some things are well above my pay grade.

I used to try, honestly I did, but lately I really just cannot be bothered. I used to be diligent with FOD and pick up everything I saw out on the apron. Nowadays I'd need a skip and shovel to make a dent in the mess. So unless it's right in front of me or I step on it it stays where it is.

[DP.]

Originally Posted by HOVIS

Er, sorry, but it's already falling apart. Brand new airbridges with bits hanging off. The ground electrical power fails on a regular basis.
It was built on the cheap and it shows.

The airbridges were provided by a specialist supplier who have supplied airports all over the world. Now you could argue that the spec that MAG provided to them was 'cheap' (that is obviously between the companies) but I've certainly seen much worse airbridges than those at T2. The ground power is a utility issue, rather than build quality - I'm not sure that supports a conclusion that the entire project was built 'on the cheap'.

[HOVIS]

I was told the airbridges were designed for ships which is why the wobble about so much. 😁

[DP.]

Originally Posted by HOVIS

I was told the airbridges were designed for ships which is why the wobble about so much. 😁

The manufacturer also supplies cruise terminals as well as airports, but I think it's a stretch to say these specific ones were designed for ships.

[lfc84]

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[HOVIS]

Any news on Air Canada returning?

[chaps1954]

Air Canada A330s from early June not Air Canada Rouge
Daily except Monday and Saturday:

.2345.7 MAN YYZ 1115 1400 AC 809 333*C

Runs from 2 June to 30 Sep.
Thanks Forum4Airports for info

Ian

[CabinCrewe]

aren't AC A330’s relatively premium heavy on a route not known for its mainline premium requirements? Be interesting to see how that pans out.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Yeah, they've a large business cabin which I suspect will be sold as Premium Economy. Seems they're keen to get back into market even though the aircraft is not ideal, they're using a MAX to EDI and no sign of GLA returning yet. That sort of short peak season was why it went Rouge.

[Mr A Tis]

AC are selling 3 class priced tickets. - seat plan for AC808 is currently C27/W21/Y244.
Hope their performance is better than Rouge, which at times were pretty awful. Even when they arrived early, they were rarely despatched anything like on time for the return.
I wouldn't be too surprised if for 2022 it went via EDI & the EDI MAX dropped- but I have no inside knowledge on that possibility.

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by Mr A Tis

AC are selling 3 class priced tickets. - seat plan for AC808 is currently C27/W21/Y244.
Hope their performance is better than Rouge, which at times were pretty awful. Even when they arrived early, they were rarely despatched anything like on time for the return.
I wouldn't be too surprised if for 2022 it went via EDI & the EDI MAX dropped- but I have no inside knowledge on that possibility.

Don't they have two varieties of 333 in normal times their original eight and those further eight acquired via TAP and Singapore.
If these work for Lyon (all year combined with Geneva couple hours away) Bordeaux and Toulouse from Montreal can't see why they wouldn't from Manchester to Toronto
The only consideration is they are actually based in Montreal for the most part so a potential orphan operation and likely requiring a positioning sector (They do this already for Pfreighers at the moment) - Some of the 333 fleet are currently configured for freight on passenger duties.
Rouge wide body fleet is effectively dead, though they do have the 2 A319-112 frames used across the Atlantic on estate - All the 767s are parked and the three with mainland are or have been through Tel Aviv for full freight conversion.
Rouge brand is not likely to return across the Atlantic anytime soon.
It also remains something of anomaly why the French provincial services continue to work whilst the UK operations (other than the black hole ) have declined so far as to not support even a three weekly service level.

[easyflyer83]

Originally Posted by Rutan16

Don't they have two varieties of 333 in normal times their original eight and those further eight acquired via TAP and Singapore.
If these work for Lyon (all year combined with Geneva couple hours away) Bordeaux and Toulouse from Montreal can't see why they wouldn't from Manchester to Toronto
The only consideration is they are actually based in Montreal for the most part so a potential orphan operation and likely requiring a positioning sector (They do this already for Pfreighers at the moment) - Some of the 333 fleet are currently configured for freight on passenger duties.
Rouge wide body fleet is effectively dead, though they do have the 2 A319-112 frames used across the Atlantic on estate - All the 767s are parked and the three with mainland are or have been through Tel Aviv for full freight conversion.
Rouge brand is not likely to return across the Atlantic anytime soon.
It also remains something of anomaly why the French provincial services continue to work whilst the UK operations (other than the black hole ) have declined so far as to not support even a three weekly service level.

Given it’s French speaking heritage, I guess it’s no surprise that secondary French cities are linked with YUL etc.

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by easyflyer83

Given it’s French speaking heritage, I guess it’s no surprise that secondary French cities are linked with YUL etc.

That's not the point - Toronto - UK demand should be greater than or at least as robust as Montreal- Lyon or even Montreal - Bordeaux ! Even with the mother and daughter traffic in natural decline for two decades or so .

Its easier for my daughter in Nantes to visit cousins in Dieppe Nova Scotia via Montreal (Air tran) than myself and wife these days.

Things don't necessarily add up.

By the way own parents sister and myself flew flew direct to Montreal on a VC10 nearly forty years ago !

[chaps1954]

Market has changed in last few years, the days of 3 or 4 Wardair + CP Air and Air Canda has gone at Manchester and most other cities in the UK.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by chaps1954

Market has changed in last few years, the days of 3 or 4 Wardair + CP Air and Air Canda has gone at Manchester and most other cities in the UK.

It has quite literally died.

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by chaps1954

Market has changed in last few years, the days of 3 or 4 Wardair + CP Air and Air Canda has gone at Manchester and most other cities in the UK.

Well aware yet again a provincial French city of similar and in many ways weaker economics retains the connections - The UK market to Canada may have contracted however the elephant in the room is as usual 93 thousand ( might have missed a few ) flights Air Canada operate into Heathrow isn't it ?

I highlight Lyon particularly as Air Canada seem to do okay operate year round , have literally ZERO connections have yet also operate to neighbouring Geneva with full alliance backup.

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

It has quite literally died.

Well aware of the mothers and daughter traffic indeed mentioned it in my earlier post. The issue is one of marketing or lack thereof particularly by Air Canada .

Air Transat/Canadian Affair are all that's left I fear.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

What's Air Canada at LHR got to do with MAN? It's not as if we can blame bmi for feeding AC anymore out of MAN via LHR. There have been four daily year round LHR-YYZ flights for years, mostly on point to point traffic but with some connections to STAR partners, almost none of which impact on MAN. The old VFR frequencies are gone forever as the old market died and the new one has plenty more options. The better comparison is surely DUB, which today has year round A330/B787 service from YYZ and that's up against Aer Lingus. That's a stronger business market and a much stronger Canada originating market (I think).