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Old 31st Jan 2022, 13:16
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Manchester Arrivals:
If you click on the arrow on the rt hand side after details, it should come up with 'arrival' and the latest estimate which may be different to the scheduled time.
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Old 31st Jan 2022, 14:14
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LFC22 If you have problem with Manchester use FR24 arrivals

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Old 1st Feb 2022, 18:30
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Norwegian: Manchester - Trondheim twice weekly from 15 August.
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/n...ndheim-norway/
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Old 3rd Feb 2022, 21:25
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Kuwait Airways

"Kuwait Airways will now serve Manchester 3 weekly, with new times: KU113 KWI 0630 MAN 1145KU114 MAN 1245 KWI 2125 Tue/Thu/Sun with A32N. Thanks to Pete for highlighting"

Above text copied from and credited to SPD Travels on Twitter.
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Old 3rd Feb 2022, 23:19
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Must have realised no one wanted to cover that at midnight.
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Old 4th Feb 2022, 17:25
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Must have realised no one wanted to cover that at midnight.
"DO NOT DISTURB"

The new spirit of Manchester Airport!

Freighters. Diversions. Now night flights.
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Old 4th Feb 2022, 17:31
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
"DO NOT DISTURB"

The new spirit of Manchester Airport!

Freighters. Diversions. Now night flights.
As has been mentioned before. Lack of staff. Unless you are suggesting that people should be working 24hr shifts?
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Old 4th Feb 2022, 17:38
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I have probably thousands of night-shifts at MAN to my credit. None of them lasted 24 hours.
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Old 5th Feb 2022, 14:19
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Realistic times now on Kuwait similar times to Emirates/Qatar/Etihad and for any onwards connections from Kuwait may be a lot smaller in terms of the big 3
4am arrival 5am departure from MAN would not have won passengers over from the big 3

Plenty of flights operate through the night at MAN especially in the summer months, winter months there's no need to operate at unsociable hours there's just not the demand
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Old 5th Feb 2022, 15:50
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Agree with you, SCFC1EP. There will be a programme of night flights at MAN as usual in S22. My actual point was to highlight the culture of negativity which has become rife across certain departments at MAN, far in excess of that seen at other UK airports of size. Yet pay and conditions at those competing airports are similar to those at MAN. We need rid of the instinctive "no can do" attitude which has infected many areas of the airport operation (from the top down in the case of diversions, cargo flights etc.). Naturally, I do welcome sociable timings for the new Kuwait Airways operation. Very good news.
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Old 5th Feb 2022, 16:22
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So are you saying that the flight was moved at MAN's instigation?
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Old 5th Feb 2022, 23:57
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
So are you saying that the flight was moved at MAN's instigation?
Not sure if this is intended for me, but if so, the answer is no. I have no inside track on decision-making processes at Kuwait Airways. My post was addressing negative sentiments expressed by HOVIS.
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Old 13th Feb 2022, 09:03
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DO NOT DISTURB

Did Manchester dissuade a Lufthansa A350 yesterday.

There were rumours circulating Friday with ops of a Luthansa A350 stopping briefly Mexico City - Munich for a crew swappover organised by the LH area manager. All the logistics were in place at 9am Saturday for a 1600 arrival but fortunately for MAG it ended up in Brussels.

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Originally Posted by Navpi
DO NOT DISTURB

Did Manchester dissuade a Lufthansa A350 yesterday.

There were rumours circulating Friday with ops of a Luthansa A350 stopping briefly Mexico City - Munich for a crew swappover organised by the LH area manager. All the logistics were in place at 9am Saturday for a 1600 arrival but fortunately for MAG it ended up in Brussels.
Or, in a less paranoid world, either fuel or crew hours (assuming the diversion was for one of those reasons) as the flight went on proved to be acceptable to get a bit further towards Munich by going into Brussels. There are more flights from Lufthansa bases to Brussels, plus much easier surface transport. A drive up from Frankfurt is logistically a lot easier than relying on a single connecting flight. The Hotel costs for a full A350 if things went wrong would not be insignificant.

A diversion into MAN would have arrived about 2pm. Munich flights got in around 1020 and 1655, so either a long wait for the crew, or one for the passengers. Brussels timings were a lot closer in both respects.





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Old 13th Feb 2022, 09:48
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So you have no inside track on decision-making processes at Lufthansa, but prefer to assume that it was dissuaded by MAG?

Hopefully somebody will be along to address these negative sentiments shortly!
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Please reread I did actually pose the question

"Did Manchester dissuade"

Maybe the plan changed internally and it was swapped to Brussels based on other operational criteria.

I did state that it was highly fortunate for Manchester that it didn't actually arrive given limitations on space and staff based on comments by Hovis.



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Old 13th Feb 2022, 09:56
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
Not sure if this is intended for me, but if so, the answer is no. I have no inside track on decision-making processes at Kuwait Airways. My post was addressing negative sentiments expressed by HOVIS.
Ah, I see. My opinions, based on day to day airside observations, are 'negative sentiments'. 😁

Have a look at the departure boards over the last few days and ask yourself why so many aircraft are leaving late.
There simply are not enough staff currently on site to cope with the increasing passenger and cargo numbers.
T&Cs have been cut, pay has been reduced or simply not kept pace with inflation. People don't want to work here any more.
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Old 13th Feb 2022, 10:02
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Originally Posted by Navpi
It wasn't a diversion even though it was apparently treated as such.

I understood it was pre planned well in advance as a scheduled stop over !
There could have been a million and one reasons why it ended up in BRU, the home airport of a Lufthansa group airline, but you chose to assume it is MAG's fault?
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Old 13th Feb 2022, 10:12
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Ah, I see. My opinions, based on day to day airside observations, are 'negative sentiments'. 😁

Have a look at the departure boards over the last few days and ask yourself why so many aircraft are leaving late.
There simply are not enough staff currently on site to cope with the increasing passenger and cargo numbers.
T&Cs have been cut, pay has been reduced or simply not kept pace with inflation. People don't want to work here any more.
Aparently staff at Menzies have had a nice pay deal agreed. Most of the LHR staff were reported as getting a 3k bonus and pay rises between 6-7% and I heard similar across their network.
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Old 13th Feb 2022, 14:29
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Unfortunately, MAN does seem to be labouring under a culture of negativity, and comments by HOVIS do continue to reflect this. The handling agencies seem particularly badly affected, yet the fallout appears limited to MAN whilst their counterparts at other UK airports - on similar pay and conditions - seem willing to go the extra mile.

Perhaps MAG takes the view that handling agency staff - not MAG employees - are outside their remit. But they really do need to be taking action. This general climate of negativity is cancerous. And unfortunately, the problem does seem to extend across some of MAG's own departments as well. Persistent rejection of cargo flights and the seemingly permanent 'No Divs NOTAM' are symptomatic of this.

Karen Smart has been in post for a while now, so she must be up to speed by this point. It would be interesting to know how she is moving to address rock-bottom staff morale across affected MAG departments and those of essential agency partners. Sweeping away the culture of negativity specific to this airport needs to be a priority for her. Traffic at MAN has been beyond devastated by COVID, yet her staff appear to regard every piece of new business turned away as a victory to be celebrated. This has to change.
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