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Old 7th Jan 2022, 11:14
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MAN received two diversions this week. Both emergencies, one medical, one technical. The tech aircraft I believe is still there, blocking a remote stand and no doubt giving the maintenance guys a headache. That's the trouble with diversions, you really don't know what you're getting yourself into. A quick splash and dash or a longer protracted stay. At some point they will all need fuel (usually) some sort of tech clearance, maybe spare parts from abroad so customs clearance, a tug and crew, dispatcher, maybe even loaders and cargo handlers. Hotac possibly for crew or/and passengers.
All these are problematic especially at a time of staff shortages. I heard the other day that Swissport are paying 30/hour overtime rates just to get people to work extra hours!
Your 'dynamic' solution at the moment is dead in the water.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 11:52
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Your 'dynamic' solution at the moment is dead in the water.
It certainly does seem to be at MAN. But not at just about every other airport. And aircraft require all the same support services you mention at those. Everywhere else seems to be coping fine, and I don't think their staff are more handsomely remunerated than their Manchester counterparts.

MAN is uniquely FAILING in this respect, and that is a matter for concern. Repeated failure is unacceptable and should be addressed by management. But I see no urgency from MAG to address those areas of the operation which undermine the good work done by other departments at MAN. Reputation is always driven by those areas of the business which let the side down.

BTW, the 'tech' aircraft which you cite is exempt from any dynamic diversion decision-making process. A flight which declares an emergency CAN land. That's the rule. So the question of whether the airport operator would want to accept it or not is moot. And, of course, an aircraft which diverts in with a technical problem runs the risk of sticking around for a while. That's what 'tech' implies. If a non-emergency aircraft wishes to divert for technical reasons, that can be taken into consideration when a decision is made.

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Old 7th Jan 2022, 12:12
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
It certainly does seem to be at MAN. But not at just about every other airport. And aircraft require all the same support services you mention at those. Everywhere else seems to be coping fine, and I don't think their staff are more handsomely remunerated than their Manchester counterparts.

MAN is uniquely FAILING in this respect, and that is a matter for concern. Repeated failure is unacceptable and should be addressed by management. But I see no urgency from MAG to address those areas of the operation which undermine the good work done by other departments at MAN. Reputation is always driven by those areas of the business which let the side down.

BTW, the 'tech' aircraft which you cite is exempt from any dynamic diversion decision-making process. A flight which declares an emergency CAN land. That's the rule. So the question of whether the airport operator would want to accept it or not is moot. And, of course, an aircraft which diverts in with a technical problem runs the risk of sticking around for a while. That's what 'tech' implies. If a non-emergency aircraft wishes to divert for technical reasons, that can be taken into consideration when a decision is made.
Yes, I'm well aware of the definition of 'tech'.

Perhaps the reason other airports are not in the same position as MAN could be down to many factors. EG. What are the employment opportunities outside the airport? I do know of several people who have left airport work to pursue careers elsewhere. Reasons given, better pay, t&cs, not having to get up at 3AM to work double shifts.
This is not MAG's fault. Point the finger instead at the low cost airlines who insist on paying peanuts and demanding the Earth. (Jet2 saw what was happening and took everything in house, a very good move IMO). But the knock on effect is plain to see.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 12:29
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The "No divs" notam expires at midnight tonight. Let's see if it's renewed. Any bets??

MAN has surprised at times, like the morning a few years ago when 3 x A380s diverted to MAN as well as a number of other wide bodies. It's just difficult to understand whether the notam when issued, or other occasions when MAN has not been cooperative, are as a result of sound, logical, operational decisions based on the situation at the time, or a reflection of attitudes on the ground by particular airport management or handling agents staff.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 12:39
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It's just difficult to understand whether the notam when issued, or other occasions when MAN has not been cooperative, are as a result of sound, logical, operational decisions based on the situation at the time, or a reflection of attitudes on the ground by particular airport management or handling agents staff.
And as none of them are coming forward to discuss the decision making on this thread, the rest is circular guesswork.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 15:19
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Reported by a couple of sources on Twitter that Lufthansa is starting a twice weekly, freight-only FRA-MAN-DUB service using A321F, wef 22/2/22.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 16:12
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Surprised not to see here mentioned MAN found room for a delivery flight...as a spanking new Iraqi Airways A220 is currently sat remote off T2. Will be continuing its journey to Iraq from Montreal very shortly.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 18:15
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Thanks for mentioning that eggc. Did someone suggest there might be more Iraqi A220s on delivery?

And here it is - the infamous notam updated.
A) EGCC B) 2201071559 C) 2201102359 E) AD NOT AVBL FOR DIVERTED TRAFFIC. EMERGENCIES EXCEPTED. CREATED: 07 Jan 2022 16:00:00

I always have to read these a couple of times to interpret them but I think it's only been renewed until 23.59 on Monday 10th January, which is a shorter period than normal. Whether that's more hopeful is another question.

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Old 7th Jan 2022, 18:43
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NOTAMs are for temporary changes/restrictions only.

I believe the CAA normally require the contents to be incorporated into the AIP after a certain length of time.

In this case I think you'll find they've already allowed it to be reissued beyond the normal repeat limit.

Not forgetting it's intention is primarily to ensure EGCC is not flight planned as an alternate.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 18:57
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That's interesting 42psi. The notam first came into effect at 00.01 on 21 Dec. so cumulatively it will be 3 weeks when the new notam expires on Monday. Are you suggesting the CAA may refuse to let it be reissued at some point if it's already on an extension?
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 19:03
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Originally Posted by MANFOD
That's interesting 42psi. The notam first came into effect at 00.01 on 21 Dec. so cumulatively it will be 3 weeks when the new notam expires on Monday. Are you suggesting the CAA may refuse to let it be reissued at some point if it's already on an extension?

Not right now!

I believe the CAA already accept that the circumstances are unusual, but they won't allow it indefinitely.

Edited to clarify : if you keep issuing it its clearly not temporary so you will eventually have to put in the AIP.
A Notam is not for permanent changes.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 19:36
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You might want to check how long Carlisle has been "temporarily" NOTAM'd closed. More than 3 weeks...
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 19:38
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
You might want to check how long Carlisle has been "temporarily" NOTAM'd closed. More than 3 weeks...
As I said, CAA are currently accepting that the circumstances are a little unusual
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 08:58
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Originally Posted by AndrewH52
Reported by a couple of sources on Twitter that Lufthansa is starting a twice weekly, freight-only FRA-MAN-DUB service using A321F, wef 22/2/22.
Any idea what time of day?
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 09:15
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Any idea what time of day?
Suppose this is one of VALLAIR frames flown by Smartlynx Malta and currently operated for DHL; chances of bait and switch to EMA quite high !
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 09:40
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Any idea what time of day?
Arrives 00:05 Tue/Th dep 01:30 Wed/Fri (Credit @SPD_travels)
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 10:49
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Suppose this is one of VALLAIR frames flown by Smartlynx Malta and currently operated for DHL; chances of bait and switch to EMA quite high !
Rutan26, Looks highly likely once MAN get wind it is still supposed to be coming, although it was actually known in October so they have had time to switchsell it if there are logistical issues.

it is possible of course the airline having applied "for Manchester", actually want Manchester !

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Old 8th Jan 2022, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Navpi
Rutan26, Looks highly likely once MAN get wind it is still supposed to be coming, although it was actually known in October so they have had time to switchsell it if there are logistical issues.

it is possible of course the airline having applied "for Manchester", actually want Manchester !
I can see one logistical problem straight away. Time of day. Dnata ground handling all go home at 23:30.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 13:25
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Arrival/Departure times seem a little long 25 1/2 hrs surely 90MIN turnaround more realistic

Another point if in connection with DHL and EMA maybe EMA can not accept it at those times of night, that's the busiest part of night at EMA especially on that DHL Ramp
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 13:39
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Originally Posted by SCFC1EP
Arrival/Departure times seem a little long 25 1/2 hrs surely 90MIN turnaround more realistic
I suspect those date/times posted above are typos. Much more likely to be as you say.
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