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Old 1st Dec 2020, 19:36
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Lockdown ends tomorrow and there is no obvious news of T2 or T3 reopening. Are we likely to see T2 + T3 remain closed until maybe the end of March 2021 ?
Are non-food retail units in T1 reopening tomorrow ?

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Old 1st Dec 2020, 20:17
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Just for info, tomorrows EK17 (Wed 2nd Dec) is showing as an A380.
Nice to see one back.
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 21:27
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Came back from Far East on one into Europe via DXB. Good to fly in them again, and the bar is open Mr Williams from your neck of the woods will be pleased about that too !
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Old 1st Dec 2020, 23:21
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6 A380 a week from tomorrow plus 4 777, the slow recovery has started, Aurigny ATR today
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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 05:52
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There were (and still is) many rumours about T2X opening in February, but I don’t know when the testing with “passengers” and staff is due to take place...

T1/T3 ideal for our LCC’s, but please move the legacy airlines over to T2.
I’ve been using T1 recently for the 5.55am KLM flight and it’s not been on time departing once! I don’t know what T3 check in areas are like these days but T1 is completely inadequate. Not to mention the tired and dated Piers B & C!
EZY regularly use pier C gates 23/25/27 shouldn’t be a problem for them, but KL/AF/LH they should be in the new T2X.

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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 17:05
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I'm perplexed. Why? easyJet is a big MAN customer and operates far more flights and brings more customers to the airport than KLM. My point being that you don't just treat one of your biggest customers with contempt because you perceive they deserve/want a lower customer experience. By the same token, KLM etc might not want to move to terminal 2 yet for whatever reason. Instead, as an airport, you work with the carriers to best match their needs and requirements. Pre-pandemic, Eurowings moved to T2 and easyJet takes pride of place at the new BER terminal.
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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 17:33
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I'm perplexed. Why? easyJet is a big MAN customer and operates far more flights and brings more customers to the airport than KLM. By the same token, KLM etc might not want to move to terminal 2 yet for whatever reason.
AF/KL were pencilled in for T2 for Apr 2020. Obviously, things have happened since then, but expect them to move probably for summer21 schedule. AF were only in T3 due to the joint CDG operation with BE and vis a vis KL were required to follow AF due to a common check-in system. Now BE are no more, it makes sense to move to T2. On another note, EI were due to move to T3 with the start of BHD ops and be more aligned with the other IAG operation but did not happen for whatever reason. The proposed new transatlantic ops by EI I believe are to be operated from T1 so unlikely youíll see a joint IAG ops under one terminal anytime soon.
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Old 2nd Dec 2020, 23:28
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Yes, I remember AF/KL moving over to T3 from T2 about 6 years ago when AF canned its night stopper and codeshared on BE. Before that of course, the two used to co-exist in T1 prior to them becoming part of the AFKL group.

My point is though is some seem to like to assume that LCC's can just be told where they are being handled at an airport and will simply accept that. Thats not to say that one of those airlines might settle for the older or more basic terminal if it suits its operational needs but in case of FR & EZY at MAN (and LS too) they are the airports biggest customers. They provide the critical mass and the large numbers of passengers which airports ultimately draw money from directly these days. Those airlines are much sought after by airports right across Europe and as such, they can be demanding customers.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 00:19
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My point is though is some seem to like to assume that LCC's can just be told where they are being handled at an airport and will simply accept that.
You appear to be interpreting the situation as an attack on the integrity of EasyJet as a company. But nobody is suggesting doing anything without their explicit consent. The rumour which has gone around (which may or may not be true) featured the suggestion that EasyJet and Ryanair would be offered exclusive use of T1/T3 (possibly plus Wizz?) with no landing charges for four years. [Or is it actually departure charges at MAN?]. If that were to be true, then it is an outstandingly generous offer which EasyJet would be very wise to consider at a time when money is so tight. And it wouldn't even involve any upheaval: T1 is their home at MAN already (and it works just fine). I've not seen any hint that EasyJet would "be forced to settle for" anything which doesn't meet their expressed approval. But under the terms suggested by the rumour doing the rounds, perhaps a move to T2 would not be accompanied by the attractive financial concession attached to staying put in T1?

If EasyJet prefers to be seen as a prestige carrier and wishes to prioritise this over keeping fixed costs as low as possible, then that is their call. But I would suggest that their recent announcement re baggage policy aligns them firmly alongside Ryanair and Wizzair in the budget no-frills niche. My guess is that they would go with low costs, but maybe you know better? Either way, their MAN operation will do just fine in the familiar T1 environment. Plenty of retail, plenty of catering options, and whilst no showpiece an acceptably functional environment for the task at hand. It works.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 11:10
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I think itís a shame they donít consolidate the IAG operation in terminal 2, IF they can solve the arrival process for CTA flights. I assume, boldly, that T2 has a proper arrival route for CTA which doesnít involve the bloody bus. The amount of times it takes longer to get from the aircraft out of the customs hall than the actual flight from dublin is ridiculous.

t3 is at capacity already and the departure lounges are unpleasant at the best of times never mind when itís busy.

with the potential EI USA operation I think a wholesale move to t2 next summer would make a lot more sense for the IAG group.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 11:21
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I was using EZY as a prime example of how T1 is adequate enough for their operation and even an extended operation. At the same time, as air travel eventually gets busier, other airlines should be transferred to T2 (and T2X) to ensure there is enough space for our LCC's to operate in T1/T3 or potential as one large terminal.
EZY I'm sure are more than happy to continue using Pier B and some of the gates on Pier C, with being closer to the runways...the only downside for me personally is that stupid layout due to it's age which we know dates back to the times when arriving and departing passengers could mix.

I heard the T1 car park has already past it's expired life span, in that case Pier B has far exceeded it's, but unfortunately for the passenger, I can't see any changes until overall T2X and it's Piers are complete.
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 12:09
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Are there any plans anywhere (Iím just interested) as what exactly T2X is?
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 12:11
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BA have previously asked for a move to T2 along with American Airlines, however, the airport at the time refused due to there being no suitable domestic arrival facilities. IAG's aim going forward at other airports is a common Executive lounge used by all IAG airlines and partner airlines. This would, I assume have to be constructed before any move to T2.

Slots for the EI operation are now showing with flight numbers and times (No destinations yet) in the airport systems. x2 A321neo and x1 A330, however, I have on good authority that EI have asked for pricing from suppliers based on using x2 A330 and x 1 A321neo due to availibility of the neo a/c and the lack of range for one of the proposed routes (suggesting ORD).
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 17:12
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Handy for the BA direct Costa Rica flight at last, though BA not what they were but better than a change in Miami.

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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 21:04
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I see CX A350 is on its way in for Friday morning.
Is this just a one off - or a resumption of a limited service?
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 21:10
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It is for students returning home and there are several but hopefully it is getting closer to a resumption of services
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Old 3rd Dec 2020, 23:53
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Ryanair announce Manchester - Bucharest 3 x weekly from March 2021.

A long awaited European destination. I've never really understood why we didn't have it previously. Also great news as it looks like things are starting to look up again at MAN.

Apologies if this was picked up previously.

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Old 4th Dec 2020, 08:52
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DomyDon Hi it was mentioned before but no harm in reminding people
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 11:17
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I'm going to be a horrible nerd here, but wasn't there a brief scheduled service by TAROM BAC 1-11 back in the 80s / 90s? Also perhaps a few charters for skiing in the Carpathian mountains. But aside from that it's good to have another EU capital on the departure boards, hopefully for good.
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Old 4th Dec 2020, 17:07
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Aer Lingus Slots were added for four long haul based aircraft, this is now reduced to three. One A321 removed leaving one A330-300 and two A321LR’s. Daily departures 1000/1105/1305z with returns 0550/0635/0735z eff.01May.
I know a new US-UK air services agreement was signed recently, but haven't seen anything about what is included. EI must be confident on regulatory approval.

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