Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.


Old 6th Dec 2020, 08:46
  #81 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: UK
Age: 53
Posts: 1,463
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts

Yet GLA/EDI gained half-empty running extra LCY frequencies?
VickersVicount is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 10:21
  #82 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: ortac
Posts: 115
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
If true I canít see a LGW-MAN service working/happening, the train takes just over three hours from Manchester including a short tube ride and Gatwick train from Victoria, which is more pleasant than travelling through MAN being shouted at in a queue by security staff etc , travelling on a BA lgw based Airbus with probably miserable crew staffing the aircraft.. No thanks Iíd rather catch the train and have more space.
ICEHOUSES is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 10:42
  #83 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Eas Anglia
Age: 65
Posts: 817
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Oh my, you make it sound like a breeze. LGW -MAN is about 6 hours versus 50 min flying time and an hour check in.
It sounds more like a Manchester agenda than a factual comparison?
Navpi is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 10:50
  #84 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Blighty
Posts: 5,675
Likes: 0
Received 22 Likes on 17 Posts
6 hours is a bit much for Gatwick-Manchester. I live in Croydon, 15 mins north of Gatwick by train and travelled by rail this morning to Manchester, with luggage. It took 3h50 by train today, Sunday - ie with trains at least 30 minutes slower than Mon-Sat, from East Croydon station to Manchester Piccadilly. Trains from places like Wilmslow, Macclesfield or Stockport will be 10 or 20 mins faster. A train on Monday from Gatwick to central Manchester should be about 3h30

Anything more than 4h by train from Gatwick train station to central Manchester by rail suggests something going badly wrong. 6h would allow for an additional long lunch in a restaurant en route
davidjohnson6 is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 10:57
  #85 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,803
Received 180 Likes on 123 Posts
Sorry to hear about all the miserable people working in air travel when the train services are filled with such joyous souls! And space on a train - yes, plenty of room for the kids to run around and the nice man opposite to stack his cans of Stella...
SWBKCB is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 11:51
  #86 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: ortac
Posts: 115
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Well the timetabled trains take around 3 and half hours so maybe you’ve got a problem understanding the U.K. railway system, I would love the LGW-MAN route to be successful so maybe it will be then, I did use it on many occasions in the late 1990s actually as well as using the train service.
ICEHOUSES is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 12:45
  #87 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Manchester
Age: 46
Posts: 615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by mariofly12
But LGW-MAN is supposed to be loss-making and has no feed traffic, trains provide competitive service etc etc and that's why BA made the decision to cut it..Why would they reinstate a loss-making route?
MAN-LGW was a strange route, to do with revenue being "manipulated" I believe and mainline taking all the profit. 2901 was always full at 0620, mostly US connections. It was never a P2P route. Since BA have retrenched to fortress Heathrow there isn't much hope.
Ex Cargo Clown is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 14:44
  #88 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: U.K.
Posts: 1,908
Received 13 Likes on 11 Posts
Just last week I did Manchester Piccadilly to LGW by train. Departed Piccadilly at 1315 and arrived at LGW at 1645. It would have been quicker had I not walked from Euston to Oxford Circus before then getting the tube to Victoria. Oh, and I bought a few bits of food in M&S in Victoria before boarding the train for the last leg. It can be done in 3 hours.

MAN-LGW is handy for south coast destinations I guess. I enjoy travelling by train and it can be a very pleasant experience. That said, I think some posters description of the flying experience are over-exaggerated with an underlying agenda and I've experienced far more cheerful, happy and polite crew on BA flights than I have on the trains.

I too had wondered whether the service is aimed at connecting into EI. Otherwise, I'm not sure as to its potential.
easyflyer83 is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 15:02
  #89 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: UK
Age: 59
Posts: 3,582
Received 334 Likes on 188 Posts
Yeeeeees, all that luggage to get into central Manchester,Is there a long stay car park there to leave the car? Then on to the train, off again at Euston, nice 'walk' with all the luggage to the tube, on and off the tube up and down escalators with half of London barging you out of the way, luggage back on the LGW express and off again, nice long walk to check in, queue up and finally through security.

Alternatively, check in at MAN, luggage too, security, wander up to the gate, nice flight down to LGW, stroll to the departure lounge, board flight to paradise...etc etc.

I get it. If and its a big if, you are travelling light, point to point, MAN to LGW then maybe the train is a good bet. But with a family going on your jollies with all the parafanalia that goes with it, a direct connecting flight is my preference.
TURIN is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 15:38
  #90 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Northern skyport
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Is it true that Virgin's soon to be started Manchester Islamabad service has been refused by the Pakistani authorities?
bar none is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 16:03
  #91 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Leeds, UK & Cork, Ireland
Posts: 1,080
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I suspect that MAN-LGW might be useful for connections, but I think the main reason might be that it will be easy to cancel if BA donít get summer 21 slot exemptions. Simply rebook the passengers on MAN-LHR and the job is done.
brian_dromey is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 17:30
  #92 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Beyond the Blue Horizon
Age: 63
Posts: 1,269
Received 255 Likes on 147 Posts
Went out of Manchester yesterday with Jet 2 from the old Pier C. It was like an obstacle course up and down stairs and none working lifts / travelators, ye gods it was not a good experience as a passenger. Not had those issues with LH or Emirates - just a long walk usually with EK.
It is quiet, why can not things be fixed while they have the opportunity. I know ultimately it will be pulled down, but you can not just abandon maintenance until the replacement arrives !!
Mr Mac is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 17:36
  #93 (permalink)  
Join Date: May 2005
Location: U.K
Posts: 784
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
All expenditure has been cut back to absolutely essential maintenance only.
The96er is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 17:36
  #94 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: SYD
Posts: 538
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
We all know that MAN-LGW will be a slot-sitter if it happens. We don't need any in-depth business case studies beyond that. A short route which will come close to covering its costs is ideal for the purpose. And when traffic recovers to the extent that a more lucrative route can take its place, that is exactly what we can expect to see happen. But in the meantime - if MAN-LGW is offered - then I intend to make the most of the opportunity.
OzzyOzBorn is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 18:45
  #95 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Northern province
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
[bar none

I read the same elsewhere but this was then followed up saying that it wasn't true and the flights are going ahead as planned.
Lancaster Bomber is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 19:28
  #96 (permalink)  
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London
Age: 43
Posts: 1,634
Received 11 Likes on 8 Posts

That's wholly wrong. The domestics were lucrative and the yields died almost overnight. VLM absolutely did not drop MAN/LPL-LCY for more lucrative European routes, indeed that probably marks the long decline for the airline when that core domestic high frequency market collapsed. I was a local back then.
Skipness One Foxtrot is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 20:14
  #97 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Dorset
Posts: 704
Received 15 Likes on 4 Posts
Skipness 1E has it right. The VLM U.K. domestics died almost overnight with the rail improvements. The subsequent redeployment of capacity onto the likes of EIN and LUX were a reactionary plan that turned into the disaster it was always destined to be.
Albert Hall is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 21:14
  #98 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 409
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Haven't done for a while, but I think another option is to walk from Euston down to St Pancras and take the Thameslink service to Gatwick, you can avoid the tube then.
BACsuperVC10 is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 21:18
  #99 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: SYD
Posts: 538
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
That's wholly wrong.
Thankyou for your customary respectful attitude, S1F. Charming as always. Aviation analysts appreciate that a number of factors have to be taken into consideration in matters of route planning. So I'm surprised that you're struggling to comprehend that. My original answer stands. You are free to disagree.

I was a local back then.
Which bit of Ayrshire is local to LCY? Anyway, I seem to recall you using the word "local" as a put-down in the past.

Last edited by OzzyOzBorn; 6th Dec 2020 at 21:36.
OzzyOzBorn is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2020, 21:28
  #100 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Eas Anglia
Age: 65
Posts: 817
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Can we stop referring to MAN - LGW as MAN - LGW.
it's clear as day its LGW -MAN.
Navpi is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.