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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 12:52
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
It's only true in the parallel universe inhabited by the usually suspects from the 5th estate.
Ha Ha
and so true
Perceptions based on a drip drip of right wing propaganda much subliminal and associated vested interests to hate on the foreigner and distract from domestic policies and continued erosion of EVERY Ones rights and freedoms

Some elseís fault never underused by right
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 13:05
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Ha Ha
and so true
Perceptions based on a drip drip of right wing propaganda much subliminal and associated vested interests to hate on the foreigner and distract from domestic policies and continued erosion of EVERY Ones rights and freedoms

Some elseís fault never underused by right
Glad we are back to Manchester chat and are avoiding political diatribes
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 13:51
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Ha Ha
and so true
Perceptions based on a drip drip of right wing propaganda much subliminal and associated vested interests to hate on the foreigner and distract from domestic policies and continued erosion of EVERY Ones rights and freedoms

Some else’s fault never underused by right
Please take this sort of thing to JetBlast. P L E A S E
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/647715-uk-politics-hamsterwheel-mk-iv-59.html
https://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/471033-eu-politics-hamsterwheel-234.html
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Some quite offensive stuff appearing on here now. The notion that anybody who doesn't embrace hard left politics is some kind of racist inclined to "hate on the foreigner" is patently untrue and has no place in civilised debate. There is a cross-section of political representation on this forum. Please show some respect and tolerance towards those who hold views which differ from your own.
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 18:16
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
Some quite offensive stuff appearing on here now. The notion that anybody who doesn't embrace hard left politics is some kind of racist inclined to "hate on the foreigner" is patently untrue and has no place in civilised debate. There is a cross-section of political representation on this forum. Please show some respect and tolerance towards those who hold views which differ from your own.
I apologise, but in no way for the actions of far right !
The vast majority of the UK people live somewhere in the centre ground to be honest ( me included ) except for our press ( the published media largely owned by an Australian Republican, a family long linked to fascism and a bl***y Russian Oligarch.)

True Blue sorry if I offended your sensibilities
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 18:36
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Airside at the airport

Quick question. My family are flying out next week from the airport and were wondering if you can use Euros airside once through security. Iíve tried looking on the airport website but the chatbot is neither use nor ornament and there are no humans to ask until Monday morning.
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 18:59
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At 10.1% the UK inflation rate is increasing, the only Western European country in double figures and above the EU average. "Employment is full" meaning insufficient baggage handlers, airport catering staff, aircrew and more delays/cancellations 🤣.
The disconnect here is looking at data versus narrative.

If we look at the published UK Employment Participation Rate, it has only been higher in one year out of the last 50. Yes we absolutely have full employment. Fortunately we donít measure that in baggage handlers we look at the whole economy.

My inflation comment was forward looking. It is far more instructive to look at PPI if you want to see where CPI is heading, especially when people are commenting on 2024. PPI has started to decline. See Office for National Statistics.

The problem with looking at the current narrative rather than directly at the best data is that we are left with the conclusion that because it looks bad now it can only ever get worse.

If that was true, the world would have ended many times over. The really good news is that it didnít.

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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 20:59
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
Some quite offensive stuff appearing on here now. The notion that anybody who doesn't embrace hard left politics is some kind of racist inclined to "hate on the foreigner" is patently untrue and has no place in civilised debate. There is a cross-section of political representation on this forum. Please show some respect and tolerance towards those who hold views which differ from your own.
Is it only me that sees the irony in this post?
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Bbtengineer
The disconnect here is looking at data versus narrative.

If we look at the published UK Employment Participation Rate, it has only been higher in one year out of the last 50. Yes we absolutely have full employment. Fortunately we don’t measure that in baggage handlers we look at the whole economy.

My inflation comment was forward looking. It is far more instructive to look at PPI if you want to see where CPI is heading, especially when people are commenting on 2024. PPI has started to decline. See Office for National Statistics.

The problem with looking at the current narrative rather than directly at the best data is that we are left with the conclusion that because it looks bad now it can only ever get worse.

If that was true, the world would have ended many times over. The really good news is that it didn’t.
Mr alarm technician- There is veracity to the decay in inflation in later 2023 however it may well be product of massive DECLINE in peoples spending power and a result of the changed trajectory of under employment to rising unemployment!

Such mechanisms would reduce the inflation rate

There is a reason why typical rates of 4-5 % is the median average unemployment rate , this level squeezes wage rate bargaining by the employees and returns the advantages back to the employers .

Said as much up stream about the handlers .

What isn’t cured is the supply chain issues , the massive decline in sterling , and the primary labour shortages in certain sectors or the matching of the geographic issues previously referred to in the wider economy.

It also doesn’t help those facing excruciating energy cost increases does it ?



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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 00:00
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Mr alarm technician- There is veracity to the decay in inflation in later 2023 however it may well be product of massive DECLINE in peoples spending power and a result of the changed trajectory of under employment to rising unemployment!

Such mechanisms would reduce the inflation rate

There is a reason why typical rates of 4-5 % is the median average unemployment rate , this level squeezes wage rate bargaining by the employees and returns the advantages back to the employers .

Said as much up stream about the handlers .

What isnít cured is the supply chain issues , the massive decline in sterling , and the primary labour shortages in certain sectors or the matching of the geographic issues previously referred to in the wider economy.

It also doesnít help those facing excruciating energy cost increases does it ?
If you are determined to portray negative outcomes then you will find a way to do it.

With the relationship between employment and inflation you are referring to the Phillips curve and all I will do is note that since this was published it has been debunked by more than a handful of Nobel prize winning economists.

I will stop there. We donít have to agree.

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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 00:50
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Is it only me that sees the irony in this post?
Well you do seem to be the only one posting to this effect! 😀
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In the majority of outlets yes but be prepared to be stung on exchange rate, You are looking at 15-20% loss in value compared to market rate
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Originally Posted by brian70
Quick question. My family are flying out next week from the airport and were wondering if you can use Euros airside once through security. Iíve tried looking on the airport website but the chatbot is neither use nor ornament and there are no humans to ask until Monday morning.
In the majority of outlets yes. but be prepared to lose circa 15-20% on the exchange rate compared to market rate
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 08:56
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Originally Posted by MARK 101
In the majority of outlets yes. but be prepared to lose circa 15-20% on the exchange rate compared to market rate
Not sure why you would think of using foreign cash in the UK as you are sure to be ripped off, and surely those Euro notes are best kept for the Eurozone.

Just remember when you are using your bank or credit cards abroad always be sure to opt to pay in local currency, never let the vendor use the Sterling option as you can pay a lot more in Sterling terms.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 12:01
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Originally Posted by ATNotts

Just remember when you are using your bank or credit cards abroad always be sure to opt to pay in local currency, never let the vendor use the Sterling option as you can pay a lot more in Sterling terms.
The complicating factor here is that UK card providers then impose a hefty "Non-Sterling Transaction Fee". As customers, we get ripped off whatever we do!
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 12:19
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
The complicating factor here is that UK card providers then impose a hefty "Non-Sterling Transaction Fee". As customers, we get ripped off whatever we do!
Not necessarily. Depends who you bank with.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 12:29
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Originally Posted by AndrewH52
Not necessarily. Depends who you bank with.
Just throw it out there as a punter, had we joined the Euro you’d just be subject to 0.2% on goods or 0.3% charge on a EU card in another member state anywhere within the zone . No guessing no gambling and no money extraction by banks and fluctuations; still we didn’t so joe public gets fleeced.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 12:58
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As others have said could those wishing to discuss "non-aviation" matter please take if to Jetblast?

I keep looking for MAN related news and am getting more disappointed when I discover the new post has, it would appear, little to do with the airport or the airlines and routes being served.

Thank you, I know you are all passionate about our airport so could we keep discussion to that subject?

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My decision to not rush into advance bookings for leisure air travel this Winter lest they prove more hassle than they're worth is already looking inspired. Crazed politicians in Germany have just extended mandatory bemuzzlement aboard aircraft, inter-city trains and coaches through to April 2023. They're insisting on only high-spec muzzles too. No Christmas Markets booking for me this year, then.

I expect that governments in a number of other jurisdictions will also succumb to irrational panic and indulge the urge to play 'saviour' as Winter approaches. I will limit my bookings to destinations unaffected by this madness. If there are any.
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