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For me, that picture still generates more questions than answers. The huge space of nothingness between T1 and T2 Pier B is strange to look at, I'm guessing another pier will be added there before long. 2030? We can also see the corridor connecting to Pier C, would expect announcement of that at some point.
Would be great if the greyed-out area where the multi-storey lies is also converted into an extension of T2. But as other have mentioned, it's one for the future as there's no telling if there's a requirement for it yet.
Would be great if the greyed-out area where the multi-storey lies is also converted into an extension of T2. But as other have mentioned, it's one for the future as there's no telling if there's a requirement for it yet.
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Well big thanks to MAG who "may" have been reading our debate.
New "airfield" image of T1 including what looks like a new pier minus airbridges off T2, odd however that its in the same place as pier C.
Is it a lo cost pier or a bus station ?
Fill it with bars and retail whilst punters wait for travel to remotes ?
This has just been issued.
https://bit.ly/3l4FvWI
New "airfield" image of T1 including what looks like a new pier minus airbridges off T2, odd however that its in the same place as pier C.
Is it a lo cost pier or a bus station ?
Fill it with bars and retail whilst punters wait for travel to remotes ?
This has just been issued.
https://bit.ly/3l4FvWI
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For me, that picture still generates more questions than answers. The huge space of nothingness between T1 and T2 Pier B is strange to look at, I'm guessing another pier will be added there before long. 2030? We can also see the corridor connecting to Pier C, would expect announcement of that at some point.
Would be great if the greyed-out area where the multi-storey lies is also converted into an extension of T2. But as other have mentioned, it's one for the future as there's no telling if there's a requirement for it yet.
Would be great if the greyed-out area where the multi-storey lies is also converted into an extension of T2. But as other have mentioned, it's one for the future as there's no telling if there's a requirement for it yet.
We know T3 landside is problematic due to its layout so short / medium term we are likely to see part of T1 morph into an enlarged and remodelled T3.
Longer terms could we see a further expansion of the T2 footprint to continue the pier layout like in the images here or, could we see the current T1 area becoming the new T3 with a new structure to allow the remodelling / mothballing / closure of some / all of the T3 landside but retaining gates and airside areas.
Whatever happens there is certainly more to come ............
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That is a long way to that last pier on your plan, and will be an extremely busy extended corridor at certain times.
I hope there is some plan to have some form of moving quickly down it. If we are talking travelators than they will need to be large, and crucially for Manchester well maintained. The latter is not in my experience something this airport is good at in my long experience of using it.
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That is a long way to that last pier on your plan, and will be an extremely busy extended corridor at certain times.
I hope there is some plan to have some form of moving quickly down it. If we are talking travelators than they will need to be large, and crucially for Manchester well maintained. The latter is not in my experience something this airport is good at in my long experience of using it.
Cheers
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That is a long way to that last pier on your plan, and will be an extremely busy extended corridor at certain times.
I hope there is some plan to have some form of moving quickly down it. If we are talking travelators than they will need to be large, and crucially for Manchester well maintained. The latter is not in my experience something this airport is good at in my long experience of using it.
Cheers
Mr Mac
That is a long way to that last pier on your plan, and will be an extremely busy extended corridor at certain times.
I hope there is some plan to have some form of moving quickly down it. If we are talking travelators than they will need to be large, and crucially for Manchester well maintained. The latter is not in my experience something this airport is good at in my long experience of using it.
Cheers
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I think we might see a T2 West and T3/1 East style arrangement with 2 checkin / arrival areas but otherwise linked
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I just done a Carribean fly-cruise with P&O, albeit from LGW.
If arrangements are the same as for this year, the majority of flights from LGW and MAN will be on Tui 787's that have a Premium Economy cabin (it was almost empty on our outbound flight). This year, for reasons that have been much-debated and rumoured, P&O brought in (somewhat late-in-the-day) Maleth-Aero with an A332 based at each of MAN and LGW to operate some of the flights to BGI and ANU (where the 2 ships based in the Carribean this winter turn-around).
This move has caused some disatisfaction, as some people who had booked Premium Econ flights had their bookings moved to these flights, which don't have a PE cabin. The Maleth aircraft also don't have IFE (whereas the Tui 787's do). There have also been some big delays to some of the Maleth flights (their flight back to MAN from our cruise incurred a 12-hour delay) and there has been the diversion to BDA referred to above and covered in a separate thread (although the CAT encounter could have happened to any airline).
P&O passenger forums are full of negative feedback about these issues and the use of Maleth (there is some positive aswell, but it's in the minority). Who knows whether they will be used again, but if I was a betting man I would say not (it seems to have been a short-notice arrangement in any case). Tui have been used for many years, so that seems less likely to change. Some pax also find themselves on scheduled flights (there were a small number on our cruise who flew VS to/from LHR).
If arrangements are the same as for this year, the majority of flights from LGW and MAN will be on Tui 787's that have a Premium Economy cabin (it was almost empty on our outbound flight). This year, for reasons that have been much-debated and rumoured, P&O brought in (somewhat late-in-the-day) Maleth-Aero with an A332 based at each of MAN and LGW to operate some of the flights to BGI and ANU (where the 2 ships based in the Carribean this winter turn-around).
This move has caused some disatisfaction, as some people who had booked Premium Econ flights had their bookings moved to these flights, which don't have a PE cabin. The Maleth aircraft also don't have IFE (whereas the Tui 787's do). There have also been some big delays to some of the Maleth flights (their flight back to MAN from our cruise incurred a 12-hour delay) and there has been the diversion to BDA referred to above and covered in a separate thread (although the CAT encounter could have happened to any airline).
P&O passenger forums are full of negative feedback about these issues and the use of Maleth (there is some positive aswell, but it's in the minority). Who knows whether they will be used again, but if I was a betting man I would say not (it seems to have been a short-notice arrangement in any case). Tui have been used for many years, so that seems less likely to change. Some pax also find themselves on scheduled flights (there were a small number on our cruise who flew VS to/from LHR).
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Bit left field but following on from Rutans comments about VisitBritain.
The top streaming box set on Netflix in the US is Fool Me Once.
The author has been on CBS, ABC, NY Times interviews etc.
This is filmed in Cheshire and includes Arley Hall described as Downton Abbeyesque on US TV and numerous locations around Manchester, Cheshire etc.
I am sure VB would be gushing if it was Kent, Hampshire etc.
Its a pity all the stakeholders are so pee poor and fragmented in pulling together all the required threads to promote these locations . Man Airport, The airlines, US Travel Agency's, VisitEngland etc.
The top streaming box set on Netflix in the US is Fool Me Once.
The author has been on CBS, ABC, NY Times interviews etc.
This is filmed in Cheshire and includes Arley Hall described as Downton Abbeyesque on US TV and numerous locations around Manchester, Cheshire etc.
I am sure VB would be gushing if it was Kent, Hampshire etc.
Its a pity all the stakeholders are so pee poor and fragmented in pulling together all the required threads to promote these locations . Man Airport, The airlines, US Travel Agency's, VisitEngland etc.
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Bit left field but following on from Rutans comments about VisitBritain.
The top streaming box set on Netflix in the US is Fool Me Once.
The author has been on CBS, ABC, NY Times interviews etc.
This is filmed in Cheshire and includes Arley Hall described as Downton Abbeyesque on US TV and numerous locations around Manchester, Cheshire etc.
I am sure VB would be gushing if it was Kent, Hampshire etc.
Its a pity all the stakeholders are so pee poor and fragmented in pulling together all the required threads to promote these locations . Man Airport, The airlines, US Travel Agency's, VisitEngland etc.
The top streaming box set on Netflix in the US is Fool Me Once.
The author has been on CBS, ABC, NY Times interviews etc.
This is filmed in Cheshire and includes Arley Hall described as Downton Abbeyesque on US TV and numerous locations around Manchester, Cheshire etc.
I am sure VB would be gushing if it was Kent, Hampshire etc.
Its a pity all the stakeholders are so pee poor and fragmented in pulling together all the required threads to promote these locations . Man Airport, The airlines, US Travel Agency's, VisitEngland etc.
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I think the problem is the fragmented approach outside London both in terms of tourism and Investment.
In London you have a large region already with Cambridge, Oxford, Blenhiem, Woburn etc on the periphery. They have an over arching umbrella, in all spheres, London is London with Heathrow seen very much in a default position as the gateway to the UK and promoted as such in Government and the media etc
In the North you have various Investment bodies within an hour and in some cases a few miles apart all desperate for monies.... and don't mention the tourist offering !
For VisitLondon see Marketing Manchester, Visit Liverpool Visit Yorkshire plus Visit Cumbria and N Wales tourist boards.
It's a shambolic approach. Do the various tourist sites, hoteliers, coach companies, airports talk to each other about a seamless offering ?
There is no central organisation as all the neighbours are squabbling with each other.
Naturally when you also throw airports in the mix Liverpool wants its tourist inflows to use Speke and Yorkshire to use LBA and rightly so. The long haul offering of Manchester then also gets muddy. Should LH visitors to Liverpool or Leeds hop on KLM or Aer Lingus ?
MAN once had aspirations as The Long Haul Gateway To The North.... but nearly all eg American inflows are polarised and now begin and end on coach tours seemingly starting at LHR.
One only has to look at vacations in the UK advertised on US Sites.
Heathrow 3 nights London
Cambridge
York
Liverpool
Blenhiem
Heathrow
Practically every tour is now shaped that way !
Its a shame given the 000s who visit N Wales Castles Chester, Lake District etc
The opportunities that can be offered by one organising representative of London is 50x that of the North who can only offer what are relatively bite size chunks.
How can The North galvanise its offering without each region falling out with each other ?
The emphasis here is on inflows a market totally neglected as there seems to be an acceptance that the only market ex Manchester is outbound only.
In London you have a large region already with Cambridge, Oxford, Blenhiem, Woburn etc on the periphery. They have an over arching umbrella, in all spheres, London is London with Heathrow seen very much in a default position as the gateway to the UK and promoted as such in Government and the media etc
In the North you have various Investment bodies within an hour and in some cases a few miles apart all desperate for monies.... and don't mention the tourist offering !
For VisitLondon see Marketing Manchester, Visit Liverpool Visit Yorkshire plus Visit Cumbria and N Wales tourist boards.
It's a shambolic approach. Do the various tourist sites, hoteliers, coach companies, airports talk to each other about a seamless offering ?
There is no central organisation as all the neighbours are squabbling with each other.
Naturally when you also throw airports in the mix Liverpool wants its tourist inflows to use Speke and Yorkshire to use LBA and rightly so. The long haul offering of Manchester then also gets muddy. Should LH visitors to Liverpool or Leeds hop on KLM or Aer Lingus ?
MAN once had aspirations as The Long Haul Gateway To The North.... but nearly all eg American inflows are polarised and now begin and end on coach tours seemingly starting at LHR.
One only has to look at vacations in the UK advertised on US Sites.
Heathrow 3 nights London
Cambridge
York
Liverpool
Blenhiem
Heathrow
Practically every tour is now shaped that way !
Its a shame given the 000s who visit N Wales Castles Chester, Lake District etc
The opportunities that can be offered by one organising representative of London is 50x that of the North who can only offer what are relatively bite size chunks.
How can The North galvanise its offering without each region falling out with each other ?
The emphasis here is on inflows a market totally neglected as there seems to be an acceptance that the only market ex Manchester is outbound only.
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"One only has to look at vacations in the UK advertised on US Sites.
Heathrow 3 nights London
Cambridge
York
Liverpool
Blenhiem
Heathrow"
Its honestly amazing that they get to York & Liverpool - 20 years ago they never got north of Stratford upon Avon
N England doesn't feature in most Americans views of England I'm afarid
Heathrow 3 nights London
Cambridge
York
Liverpool
Blenhiem
Heathrow"
Its honestly amazing that they get to York & Liverpool - 20 years ago they never got north of Stratford upon Avon
N England doesn't feature in most Americans views of England I'm afarid
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I've just booked MAN-JFK-MAN on Aer Lingus, outbound in late April returning mid-May. A good deal at £490pp including checked bag. I had a little trouble convincing my partner that going on Aer Lingus did not involve a change of plane in Dublin. Indeed when you search MAN-NYC a number of options come up via DUB. I am pleased to say that for once it was cheaper to fly direct! But it makes me wonder whether there is a consumer-perception that an 'Irish' airline flying from the UK to USA is not a direct service, which may be losing some market share. I'm pleased that we have this option, and some competition for Virgin, but why could BA not have set up the lower-cost subsidiary instead of Aer Lingus, to fly the MAN services for IAG using the more familiar (in the UK/USA) BA branding?
Navpi,
You hit the nail firmly on the head. We need regional tourism bodies with enough clout to get themselves heard equally with London.
The first thing to do would be to shift Visit England, or whatever they call it this week, well outside London and rather than relocate the execs recruit a team that doesn't hanker for London. Then there is the question of where to relocate to. You'd say Manchester, I would say a Midlands city. Probably somewhere in 'The North' would be preferable, perhaps Leeds or Sheffield?
So far as regional tourism organisations are concerned we need a proper regionalised set up rather than parochial cities and counties all competing with each other. So Northwest. Northeast, Midlands. Southwest etc.
Sorry, well off the topic of MAN but the subject is worthy of discussion almost anywhere outside London so Manchester is as good a place as any!
You hit the nail firmly on the head. We need regional tourism bodies with enough clout to get themselves heard equally with London.
The first thing to do would be to shift Visit England, or whatever they call it this week, well outside London and rather than relocate the execs recruit a team that doesn't hanker for London. Then there is the question of where to relocate to. You'd say Manchester, I would say a Midlands city. Probably somewhere in 'The North' would be preferable, perhaps Leeds or Sheffield?
So far as regional tourism organisations are concerned we need a proper regionalised set up rather than parochial cities and counties all competing with each other. So Northwest. Northeast, Midlands. Southwest etc.
Sorry, well off the topic of MAN but the subject is worthy of discussion almost anywhere outside London so Manchester is as good a place as any!
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Navpi,
You hit the nail firmly on the head. We need regional tourism bodies with enough clout to get themselves heard equally with London.
The first thing to do would be to shift Visit England, or whatever they call it this week, well outside London and rather than relocate the execs recruit a team that doesn't hanker for London. Then there is the question of where to relocate to. You'd say Manchester, I would say a Midlands city. Probably somewhere in 'The North' would be preferable, perhaps Leeds or Sheffield?
So far as regional tourism organisations are concerned we need a proper regionalised set up rather than parochial cities and counties all competing with each other. So Northwest. Northeast, Midlands. Southwest etc.
Sorry, well off the topic of MAN but the subject is worthy of discussion almost anywhere outside London so Manchester is as good a place as any!
You hit the nail firmly on the head. We need regional tourism bodies with enough clout to get themselves heard equally with London.
The first thing to do would be to shift Visit England, or whatever they call it this week, well outside London and rather than relocate the execs recruit a team that doesn't hanker for London. Then there is the question of where to relocate to. You'd say Manchester, I would say a Midlands city. Probably somewhere in 'The North' would be preferable, perhaps Leeds or Sheffield?
So far as regional tourism organisations are concerned we need a proper regionalised set up rather than parochial cities and counties all competing with each other. So Northwest. Northeast, Midlands. Southwest etc.
Sorry, well off the topic of MAN but the subject is worthy of discussion almost anywhere outside London so Manchester is as good a place as any!
There is a very strong suspicion that the team at VisitBritain were not wholeheartedly behind leaving their roots in London so chose Birmingham to pay lip service.
As "levelling up" narrative at Government level it meets criteria , box ticked, but enables them to work from home but maybe "pop up" to the Birmingham office 2x a week.
Not sure that embraces the strategic change that was required ?
And like ATN i would have been happy to see it relocated to ANYWHERE in the North not necessarily Manchester
York , Liverpool, Chester or even Cumbria !
Does a Birmingham move see them looking North to Chatsworth, North Wales, Chester York and Yorkshire, The Lake District etc or does their vision remain looking back South to The Cotswolds, Oxford, Bicester Outlet Village, across to Cambridge then back to London?
We shall see....
For what its worth here is a position on the
VisitBritain website.
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Location and Ways of Working We follow the principle of “Locate for your Day”, which means that we expect people to use their own judgment to decide the best place to work to meet the needs of the business. The majority of our roles can be performed predominantly remotely, however we are not a fully remote organisation as we recognise the importance of face-to-face connection, so you will be expected to spend some time in the office. We have a small office in London and growth plans for a Birmingham office from April 2024, therefore ideally, you must be commutable to Birmingham, and be willing and able to travel as when required at your own cost.
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Navpi,
Depressing. All they're doing is shifting the HQ as far north than they dare to save the poor people in London having to make the choice of moving to the 'frozen north' or leaving the business. Exactly why we are both keen of a HQ rather further north so that people less wedded to London might begin to take over the reins.
Still it ticks the 'levelling up' box.
Depressing. All they're doing is shifting the HQ as far north than they dare to save the poor people in London having to make the choice of moving to the 'frozen north' or leaving the business. Exactly why we are both keen of a HQ rather further north so that people less wedded to London might begin to take over the reins.
Still it ticks the 'levelling up' box.
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Navpi,
Depressing. All they're doing is shifting the HQ as far north than they dare to save the poor people in London having to make the choice of moving to the 'frozen north' or leaving the business. Exactly why we are both keen of a HQ rather further north so that people less wedded to London might begin to take over the reins.
Still it ticks the 'levelling up' box.
Depressing. All they're doing is shifting the HQ as far north than they dare to save the poor people in London having to make the choice of moving to the 'frozen north' or leaving the business. Exactly why we are both keen of a HQ rather further north so that people less wedded to London might begin to take over the reins.
Still it ticks the 'levelling up' box.
I've just booked MAN-JFK-MAN on Aer Lingus, outbound in late April returning mid-May. A good deal at £490pp including checked bag. I had a little trouble convincing my partner that going on Aer Lingus did not involve a change of plane in Dublin. Indeed when you search MAN-NYC a number of options come up via DUB. I am pleased to say that for once it was cheaper to fly direct! But it makes me wonder whether there is a consumer-perception that an 'Irish' airline flying from the UK to USA is not a direct service, which may be losing some market share. I'm pleased that we have this option, and some competition for Virgin, but why could BA not have set up the lower-cost subsidiary instead of Aer Lingus, to fly the MAN services for IAG using the more familiar (in the UK/USA) BA branding?
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Manchester’s inclusion in the global list places it alongside destinations including Singapore, Paris, Brisbane, and Vienna, and is the only destination in England to be included in the list of 52 locations".
https://ilovemanchester.com/best-pla...new-york-times
That was certainly part of it due to Ireland’s longer lasting and more strict lockdowns during COVID, but it was also due EI having a lower cost base and the 321s offer incredible flexibility and low risk to build a route. 6 XLRs are due to join within the next 18 months or so, we’ll see if that results in any MAN expansion.