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Old 11th Jan 2024, 06:29
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Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc
That was certainly part of it due to Ireland’s longer lasting and more strict lockdowns during COVID, but it was also due EI having a lower cost base and the 321s offer incredible flexibility and low risk to build a route. 6 XLRs are due to join within the next 18 months or so, we’ll see if that results in any MAN expansion.
Any extra a/c will not be until 2025. I’m led to believe that the additional aircraft will be another x2 A330 likely from Iberia.
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Originally Posted by Navpi
Well Bristol, Hull, Newcastle, Belfast, don't feature here infact no other English city gets a mention !"

Manchester’s inclusion in the global list places it alongside destinations including Singapore, Paris, Brisbane, and Vienna, and is the only destination in England to be included in the list of 52 locations".

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Excellent response Navpi. There does seem to be an impression that certain posters on here have an agenda, not just against the airport but the city as well.
As for the US carriers, I still live in hope we'll see one of them at MAN in the not too distant future.
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Old 11th Jan 2024, 18:31
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BA 3 class premium heavy 777s at MAN? Mmm, not seeing it.
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Are the LGW 772 3 class as that is what I understood would be the ones
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Originally Posted by chaps1954
Are the LGW 772 3 class as that is what I understood would be the ones
12 dedicated LGW fleet, 6 each from GE and Rolls Royce with 336/332 seats respectively, 3 class, no First. But BA aren't going to make money in the regions, they just don't know how.
These aircraft are all 10 across in Economy.
Aer Lingus UK A330s for comparison C30Y287 = 317 with the A321Ns at C16Y168 = 184
Virgin A333 C31W48Y185 = 264 and A35K Leisure Config C16W56Y325 = 397 (Jumbo-ish!)

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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
BA 3 class premium heavy 777s at MAN? Mmm, not seeing it.
It was the 'densified' LGW Fleet type apparently.
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Skip - I presume that you mean the A35K (A350-1041) for Virgin Atlantic?
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn
Skip - I presume that you mean the A35K (A350-1041) for Virgin Atlantic?
Amended!
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Busiest December on record with 2m pax handled during the month and pleasingly 99% of which passed through security in 15 mins or less. For comparison sake LPL is reporting 94% through security in 15mins handling less 18% of the pax MAN did. Too much MAN bashing on here at times so some credit where credit is due...IMO.
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 13:28
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I was told by someone who works at EI U.K. that their jobs were long term though not necessarily under the EI brand. Make of that what you will.

I’ve always seen EI at MAN as being an IAG experiment without the bad publicity should the BA brand being seen to pull out of the regions again.

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The talk of BA was a potential replacement for Maleth cruise flights only. Not sure if it will be BA, but somebody will replace them next year as their aircraft have not been received well by pax.

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Not sure if reprentative but interestingly BA fare LHR JFK is over £132 cheaper from LHR than same dates 1st week July than EI Ex Manchester to JFK.

Is that to make up for lack of premium ?

It seems a nice hike ?

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Originally Posted by Navpi
Not sure if reprentative but interestingly BA fare LHR JFK is over £132 cheaper from LHR than same dates 1st week July than EI Ex Manchester to JFK.

Is that to make up for lack of premium ?

It seems a nice hike ?
There’s a huge amount of capacity ex-LHR that can be dumped on the market at low rates. The EI JFK is routinely seeing 90% plus load factors. Supply and demand.
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 15:07
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Quoting Navpi: -
Not sure if representative but interestingly BA fare LHR JFK is over £132 cheaper from LHR than same dates 1st week July than EI Ex Manchester to JFK.

Is that to make up for lack of premium ?
It seems a nice hike .


It used to be said that because airlines flying across the pond from LHR, (I'm thinking BA in particular), were able to attract plenty of people up front at premium fares, they were happy to discount economy prices to help fill up seats at the back. Whether that was direct by the airlines or through other booking agents, and whether it still holds, I don't know. Maybe Skip can tell us.
Of course, if demand is strong on a particular day from MAN, that will be reflected in the EI price.
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Originally Posted by MANFOD
Quoting Navpi: -
Not sure if representative but interestingly BA fare LHR JFK is over £132 cheaper from LHR than same dates 1st week July than EI Ex Manchester to JFK.

Is that to make up for lack of premium ?
It seems a nice hike .


It used to be said that because airlines flying across the pond from LHR, (I'm thinking BA in particular), were able to attract plenty of people up front at premium fares, they were happy to discount economy prices to help fill up seats at the back. Whether that was direct by the airlines or through other booking agents, and whether it still holds, I don't know. Maybe Skip can tell us.
Of course, if demand is strong on a particular day from MAN, that will be reflected in the EI price.
The economics of long haul means that, very broadly speaking, that is what happens across the board. It’s why even long haul low cost has to have some sort of ‘premium’ product to make ends meet.
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Old 12th Jan 2024, 16:55
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It would certainly be interesting to see the proportion of US pax in 2023 versus relative to movements. And have some actuality of load factors ex LHR.

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Very generally in Long Haul, but on the North Atlantic in particular, premium cabins and belly freight are where the profit is, economy class pax are there for ballast and to pay the fuel bill. Once the premium cabins are full, the economy fares can be sold quite low when needed. This is a big reason why low-cost long-haul has failed time and again on the NAT. There is a market for the package holiday and house of mouse market, but people are increasingly happy to book it all themselves and save money vs the all inclusive packages in recent years.
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Any extra a/c will not be until 2025. I’m led to believe that the additional aircraft will be another x2 A330 likely from Iberia.
​​​​​​​ I was told by someone who works at EI U.K. that their jobs were long term though not necessarily under the EI brand. Make of that what you will.
Hmmm ... Could these two quotes open up the possibility that IAG will switch their MAN Transatlantic branding to the LEVEL operation??? 2 + 2 = 5???

If so, I hope that those two prospective A330's from the Iberia stable come to supplement G-EIDY and G-EILA and not to replace them.
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Hmmm ... Could these two quotes open up the possibility that IAG will switch their MAN Transatlantic branding to the LEVEL operation??? 2 + 2 = 5???

If so, I hope that those two prospective A330's from the Iberia stable come to supplement G-EIDY and G-EILA and not to replace them.
They will be in addition.
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Thanks. Good to know.
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