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Arguably so. But the real prize at MAN is through flights which DO have fifth freedom rights. With MAN having no based hub carrier - and especially since the demise of Thomas Cook long-haul - opportunities are there for them.
There are potential opportunities at many airports, and so to confine this to MAN is pure hubris. I am sure BHX or GLA would welcome Emirates flying DXB-XXX-NYC just as Hamburg, Milan and Athens have over the years. EDI would be cock-a-hoop with Turkish doing IST-EDI-YYZ, and MAN with Ethiopian doing ADD-MAN-DTW, or whatever examples you wish to choose. UK Government policy recognises this market opportunity which is why outside London, the UK's Air Services Agreements with other countries are to all intents and purposes "Open Skies" and have been for many years.
The security requirements apply equally to all UK airports. So if BA wished to run a single flight KWI-LHR-JFK (as it used to do) then the security re-screening requirement would apply at LHR just as it would to Kuwait Airways flying the same routing or KU flying that routing via Manchester.
Ozzy, this is not going to change any time soon. There are threat-based reasons for the UK's stance. I repeat, it is not going to change any time soon - until or unless the threat-based reasons change or suitable measures can be introduced to mitigate those threats.
I'd suggest that we move on.
The security requirements apply equally to all UK airports. So if BA wished to run a single flight KWI-LHR-JFK (as it used to do) then the security re-screening requirement would apply at LHR just as it would to Kuwait Airways flying the same routing or KU flying that routing via Manchester.
Ozzy, this is not going to change any time soon. There are threat-based reasons for the UK's stance. I repeat, it is not going to change any time soon - until or unless the threat-based reasons change or suitable measures can be introduced to mitigate those threats.
I'd suggest that we move on.
There are potential opportunities at many airports, and so to confine this to MAN is pure hubris.
Additional fifth-freedom services could be very beneficial at airports such as MAN and BHX.
Ozzy, this is not going to change any time soon. There are threat-based reasons for the UK's stance. I repeat, it is not going to change any time soon - until or unless the threat-based reasons change or suitable measures can be introduced to mitigate those threats.
I'd suggest that we move on.
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Surely it's still the same principle, transit passengers have already been screened at their origin. Unless going landside I don't see why the risk is any different for those transferring between aircraft and those staying in their seats. Another issue is that any liquids bought airside at the origin are then confiscated upon transfer.
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I am amazed that Jet2 has not taken over routes formerly operated by Thomas Cook Airlines. Traffic to the Dom Rep, Cuba, Jamaica, Mexico and West Coast USA must be ripe for the picking.
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wonder what TCX would have done about fleet renewal, as those ex Airtours A330s were knackered. Maybe followed Condor with A330-900 neos? or some white tail 787s. The rest of the SH fleet needed replaced too.
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Jet 2 are a very cautious Yorkshire company, and probably know their market very well, and that market as yet is not long haul travel , to more exotic locations, which is probably how many of their customers would view the locations you mentioned currently.
That is not to say that they will not change, but I think they need more time developing their brand yet.
None of the above is hopefully viewed as patronising, but an honest attempt to look at their current market and where they MAYBE want to go.
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That is not to say that they will not change, but I think they need more time developing their brand yet.
None of the above is hopefully viewed as patronising, but an honest attempt to look at their current market and where they MAYBE want to go.
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Yeah - and Europe's biggest airline resolutely refuses to do long haul - there's a good reason to stick to what you do best
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The traffic to the US this year has been very hit and miss hasn't it? Probably the wrong time to enter the market for sure. Cost of living crisis etc - people just going short haul as it's cheaper?
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Mayfield62 Have you been to US recently, no longer a cheap place? Money to be made inbound to UK from US but not the other way - unless Jet2 are going to advertise in US for holidays in UK!
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What is suitable bed stock like in these destinations at the moment? If Jet2 can't get that, they won't consider a route.
Big difference to Jet2 between a few packages to New York leading up to Christmas operated on a narrowbody and a longer series of regular 7/10/14 days holidays to 8+ hour away destinations only reachable by a non-company widebody.
Big difference to Jet2 between a few packages to New York leading up to Christmas operated on a narrowbody and a longer series of regular 7/10/14 days holidays to 8+ hour away destinations only reachable by a non-company widebody.
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If Jet2 got involved in longhaul then surely Cancun is the starting point for a couple of flights a week. There are plenty of hotels but only 2 carriers (BA and TUI) covering from the UK and only TUI from Manchester. Pipe dream I know but it would be good for the TUI monopoly to be broken.
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Mayfield62 Have you been to US recently, no longer a cheap place? Money to be made inbound to UK from US but not the other way - unless Jet2 are going to advertise in US for holidays in UK!
I've looked at Las Vegas a few times since the pandemic, and it seems that the days of a relatively cheap luxury stay there are a thing of the past.
As someone said above - if Jet2 decided to dip a toe in the longhaul market, Cancun would certainly appear to be a more obvious option.
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They probably will have their spies out looking at how well Virgin Holidays do next year from Manchester. Long Hual.
If things look better then they could always change some of those 321s to 321LR, although 10-11 hours in one of those might not be nice. Ok if you are running a ULCC model you put up with it but that is not the Jet2 Holidays model. 330NEO would be better but with a standby aircraft, as Jet2 would want, that's a big gamble.
If things look better then they could always change some of those 321s to 321LR, although 10-11 hours in one of those might not be nice. Ok if you are running a ULCC model you put up with it but that is not the Jet2 Holidays model. 330NEO would be better but with a standby aircraft, as Jet2 would want, that's a big gamble.