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We don’t know the reason(s) behind the staff shortage, could be possible sickness for example and there was no time to get another member of staff at short notice.
I wouldn’t be happy as a passenger being diverted especially that time of the morning, however, these type of situations are sometimes unavoidable.
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ATC staff shortage I believe who are of course employed by NATS and not the airport.
We don’t know the reason(s) behind the staff shortage, could be possible sickness for example and there was no time to get another member of staff at short notice.
I wouldn’t be happy as a passenger being diverted especially that time of the morning, however, these type of situations are sometimes unavoidable.
We don’t know the reason(s) behind the staff shortage, could be possible sickness for example and there was no time to get another member of staff at short notice.
I wouldn’t be happy as a passenger being diverted especially that time of the morning, however, these type of situations are sometimes unavoidable.
That said just another round of everything’s broke in the UK these days
It does happen in other countries too.
Happens quite often at many airports with things like ATc and fire cover and it only takes one person going sick or has an accident and the cover is not availableQuote
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Were in Nantes last week and levels of disruption were certainly on a differing scale were also in Tottenham Thursday and a ULEZ protect going on there was small fry .
Also talking with one of my daughters friends about Paris and we have it light here with industrial action
Doesn’t detract from the statement re England .
Things here are broken at a structural level across society
Total distraction technique Easyflyer,
Were in Nantes last week and levels of disruption were certainly on a differing scale were also in Tottenham Thursday and a ULEZ protect going on there was small fry .
Also talking with one of my daughters friends about Paris and we have it light here with industrial action
Doesn’t detract from the statement re England .
Things here are broken at a structural level across society
Were in Nantes last week and levels of disruption were certainly on a differing scale were also in Tottenham Thursday and a ULEZ protect going on there was small fry .
Also talking with one of my daughters friends about Paris and we have it light here with industrial action
Doesn’t detract from the statement re England .
Things here are broken at a structural level across society
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Think we need to the responsibility of the job. if you are not feeling 100% and as a result make an error ,its not as if the consequences are insignificant. hence more liklehood of people calling in sick rather than trying to work through it
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Nothing against people phoning in sick , however an organisation has to include plans to manage that scenario . This is part of the broke England that I refer to .
Indeed I’d sooner people do (and are paid - not the pathetic SSP either ) .
There is evidence that organisations with sick pay and leave have fewer lost days than otherwise mean companies , however we are far from an aviation debate at this point .
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Egyptair
Egyptair to launch 5x weekly service to MAN from 01JUL23, thanks SeanM1997 on Twitter
Presumably 737 although may be one of their nice A320neo.
Good to see Cairo return anyhow
Tue, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun services
Presumably 737 although may be one of their nice A320neo.
Good to see Cairo return anyhow
Tue, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun services
It's a legal requirement that an Air Traffic Controller must get a minimum 30 minute break every 2 hours. What you often see in staff shortages therefore is closures every 2 hours for 30 mins at a time, as there's nobody available to cover said breaks, which sounds like it may have happened here. The same thing has happened at least twice in DUB in recent weeks in the small hours of the morning. Pre COVID there was already a major shortage of Controllers globally. Then during the pandemic there were lots of redundancies, and anyone who retired wasn't replaced, so things are even worse now. It's by no means unique to MAN or NATS. Karlsruhe, Marseille, Barcelona and other en route centers are all very badly affected virtually every day.
Regarding Egyptair, they've been hoovering up passengers to South Africa in DUB, apparently they're a very good connecting option, so I should imagine they'll try for similar at MAN.
Regarding Egyptair, they've been hoovering up passengers to South Africa in DUB, apparently they're a very good connecting option, so I should imagine they'll try for similar at MAN.
Una yes I agree it can be very difficult to cover staff if it is a specialist job.
I think Egyptair are in a good position to pick up some African traffic as long as they don`t hit Ethiopian.
I think Egyptair are in a good position to pick up some African traffic as long as they don`t hit Ethiopian.
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The foreign office has several do not travel notices about areas of Ethiopia outside Addis and has had for a long time.
Trigray, Borders with Eritrea, Sudan and Somalia all have the highest Do Not Travel at all warnings.
It has beaten off competition from London Stansted, which came in second place, Luton Airport in third and Heathrow in fourth, with Edinburgh coming in fifth. Factors which put Manchester in the top slot included the number of restaurants on site - 30 compared to just 40 at the considerably larger Heathrow - average reviews scores (3.3), vegan or vegetarian options (26 of the total 30), gluten-free options (9) and average food prices.
An average meal at Manchester Airport costs £9.15p, compared to £14.06 at Heathrow and £6.70 at second place Stansted. Making up the rest of the UK top 10 is George Best Belfast City at six, London City at seven, Gatwick at eight, Newcastle International at nine and Leeds Bradford at 10.
An average meal at Manchester Airport costs £9.15p, compared to £14.06 at Heathrow and £6.70 at second place Stansted. Making up the rest of the UK top 10 is George Best Belfast City at six, London City at seven, Gatwick at eight, Newcastle International at nine and Leeds Bradford at 10.
https://simpleflying.com/edinburgh-a...ext-two-years/
Reported that Edinburgh hope to achieve US pre clearance within the next two years.
What happened to Manchester's great ambitious plans for the new T2?
Our US offerings appear to have collapsed with the loss of Delta, United & American. Virgin can't even keep the Atlanta going & as for Canadian services -Air Canada, I'm not sure why they even bother.
Dublin & Edinburgh appear to be the go to places for airlines now outisde of Heathrow.
Reported that Edinburgh hope to achieve US pre clearance within the next two years.
What happened to Manchester's great ambitious plans for the new T2?
Our US offerings appear to have collapsed with the loss of Delta, United & American. Virgin can't even keep the Atlanta going & as for Canadian services -Air Canada, I'm not sure why they even bother.
Dublin & Edinburgh appear to be the go to places for airlines now outisde of Heathrow.
Not quite as bleak as that. DUB and EDI (and London) have been go-to places for NORTH AMERICAN traffic, because they are popular with US outbound leisure customers. And post-covid, that's where the early action has been, since the Biden regime was slow to relax C-19 restrictions for us. USD exchange rates have been a major headwind for GBP earners too, though fantastic for those paid in USD. MAN has come back strongly on eastbound long-haul, short-haul leisure, no frills and European legacy scheduled.
Notable market weakspots for MAN are North America and Caribbean long haul, plus domestic routes (except Northern Ireland) in the new post-FlyBe reality. Both of those sectors will struggle to return to the heyday of 2019 traffic levels, though improvement from current throughput should be achievable. I have long been a critic of Air Canada's short-season operation which serves as a spoiler for year-round Air Transat. However, in defence of Air Canada, I do accept that delivery issues at Boeing are causing short-term problems with fleet availability. The Omni-Air B763 operation is likely a symptom of that.
FWIW, my own view is that US pre-clearance is no longer a good fit at MAN. A decade ago, yes. But now we are in a world of fast-improving immigration technology; when I last flew MAN-IAH I was through in about 20 minutes. No hassle at all. Also, USPC is an extremely expensive commitment with the host airport and associated carriers on the hook to foot the bill. Though this gets passed on to the passengers in the form of higher fares - and NW England is a price-sensitive market with a strong bias towards outbound leisure travel. And on top of the financial considerations, USPC requires an airside pier to be sterilised for its exclusive use. That is a significant blow to flexibility at an already space-restricted facility. If MAN does eventually go for USPC, I won't be complaining about it, though I really feel that there is no longer a compelling case for it, all variables considered. Immigration technology has moved on at pace and we must expect that trend to continue.
Notable market weakspots for MAN are North America and Caribbean long haul, plus domestic routes (except Northern Ireland) in the new post-FlyBe reality. Both of those sectors will struggle to return to the heyday of 2019 traffic levels, though improvement from current throughput should be achievable. I have long been a critic of Air Canada's short-season operation which serves as a spoiler for year-round Air Transat. However, in defence of Air Canada, I do accept that delivery issues at Boeing are causing short-term problems with fleet availability. The Omni-Air B763 operation is likely a symptom of that.
FWIW, my own view is that US pre-clearance is no longer a good fit at MAN. A decade ago, yes. But now we are in a world of fast-improving immigration technology; when I last flew MAN-IAH I was through in about 20 minutes. No hassle at all. Also, USPC is an extremely expensive commitment with the host airport and associated carriers on the hook to foot the bill. Though this gets passed on to the passengers in the form of higher fares - and NW England is a price-sensitive market with a strong bias towards outbound leisure travel. And on top of the financial considerations, USPC requires an airside pier to be sterilised for its exclusive use. That is a significant blow to flexibility at an already space-restricted facility. If MAN does eventually go for USPC, I won't be complaining about it, though I really feel that there is no longer a compelling case for it, all variables considered. Immigration technology has moved on at pace and we must expect that trend to continue.
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And on top of the financial considerations, USPC requires an airside pier to be sterilised for its exclusive use. That is a significant blow to flexibility at an already space-restricted facility. If MAN does eventually go for USPC, I won't be complaining about it, though I really feel that there is no longer a compelling case for it, all variables considered. Immigration technology has moved on at pace and we must expect that trend to continue.
In any event because, as you say, we must expect the trend in immigration technology to continue to move on at pace, the proposal at EDI envisages the use of facial recognition technology to allow USPC passengers to continue to access the entire terminal space. I'm not sure how that would work given that you'd be mixing passengers security screened to two different standards (US and UK) but time will tell.
Air Canada just took another B789 (from BHX no less!) and had added a whole subfleet of ex SQ A330s, the pain point was B767 sized aircraft with the wholesale removal of that type from mainline and latterly Rouge. Two more B789s to come (only one?) before the A321NEOs.
EDI's proposal to allow passengers free reign in the main terminal post any US CBP formalities surely won't work, not least from a Customs perspective, you can't freely mix with the hoi poloi then arrive at a normal US domestic gate surely.
EDI's proposal to allow passengers free reign in the main terminal post any US CBP formalities surely won't work, not least from a Customs perspective, you can't freely mix with the hoi poloi then arrive at a normal US domestic gate surely.
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