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Old 20th Aug 2020, 20:28
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All the new country entrants in total have far less cases than the 1132 UK cases reported today.
i appreciate its in relation to population but I do think we have to have a reality check here. In the U.K. its 1 case per 670 people so 20 times that itís 1340. My community has about 350 population so .5 a person is the trigger. Do you really think that such a small chance meeting is truly a pandemic, we all take extreme measures to avoid such a random meeting. Society has to get a grip here before we all disappear into a giant black hole
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 08:46
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Originally Posted by 2Planks
Croatia goes onto the naughty step
3rd holiday attempt after Tenerife and France became no go's.

Arrived yesteday and nope I will not be rushing to the airport or anywhere else only a bar for a cold one.

Boss did have a talk before I went, "Make sure to bring laptop home, will see you in about a month and enjoy the holiday" this was in front of HR, then added privately, "Staying there another 2 weeks and self isolating were it possible would be something I would do as well ". Sadly not able to do that but as area we working in is probably going to go into lockdown then we judge heading to Morrison's for lunch more of a risk that Croatia.
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 09:59
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Racedo - which country are you visiting ?
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 14:10
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Racedo - which country are you visiting ?
Sorry DJ assummed it was obvious but maybe not................. Croatia and weather is hot hot hot
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 14:44
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Just what we need:

The R number - the rate of reproduction - of coronavirus in the UK has risen to between 0.9-1.1, according to the Government Office for Science and the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage). The figures suggest there is a risk that the overall coronavirus epidemic in the UK is growing, government scientists say. (BBC News)

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Old 21st Aug 2020, 17:02
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Just what we need:

The R number - the rate of reproduction - of coronavirus in the UK has risen to between 0.9-1.1, according to the Government Office for Science and the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage). The figures suggest there is a risk that the overall coronavirus epidemic in the UK is growing, government scientists say. (BBC News)
Issue is that in April testing was bad and those going into hospital were ill and dying. Now 250,000 tests a day and 1,000 infected with few going into hospital and few dying. Most getting it now are younger and not requiring hospital.
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 21:22
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Issue is that in April testing was bad and those going into hospital were ill and dying. Now 250,000 tests a day and 1,000 infected with few going into hospital and few dying. Most getting it now are younger and not requiring hospital.
Which makes you wonder how many people have had it and not known, when they were only testing people with clear symptoms.
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 21:28
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STA Travel have collapsed. Pretty surprised no other major agents to date have folded. On reading the news story about it I also found Qantas are not returning to trans-continental until Q3 2021.
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 21:30
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Planner - I think you mean *intercontinental*, not *transcontinental*
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Old 21st Aug 2020, 23:16
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The "interesting" thing about the number of new cases rising is that it does not seem to be matched by an increase in new hospital admissions for covid-19, as if those being infected now are asymptomatic. So where does that leave us? WHO now saying that we should be able to eliminate the virus within 2 years - 2 years from now,or 2 years from the first case being reported/detected? Wouldn't it be easier to get the entire world to agree on total lockdown for 2 to 3 weeks immediately, and if that doesn't kill it off then nothing will..... either that, or we all carry on as if things were normal on the basis that most likely, those who will be affected by it have already been infected
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 08:27
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The "interesting" thing about the number of new cases rising is that it does not seem to be matched by an increase in new hospital admissions for covid-19, as if those being infected now are asymptomatic.
I make it around a 4% hospitalisation rate from positive cases at the moment. Is that about right? Is that a lot lower than at the peak?


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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 09:48
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So yesterday we had the WHO saying that COVID-19 should be eradicated within two years and this morning we have Sir Mark Walport, a member of SAGE, saying that "the virus is going to be with us forever in some form or another and almost certainly will require repeated vaccinations." It's bad enough that the Government seems to send out mixed messages but if the scientific community offers two totally contrasting scenarios of the future within 24 hours, it's no wonder poor old Joe Public is confused.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 10:03
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Spot on Expressflight! I guess the truth is that nobody knows any more than you or I.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 11:10
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So yesterday we had the WHO saying that COVID-19 should be eradicated within two years and this morning we have Sir Mark Walport, a member of SAGE, saying that "the virus is going to be with us forever in some form or another and almost certainly will require repeated vaccinations." It's bad enough that the Government seems to send out mixed messages but if the scientific community offers two totally contrasting scenarios of the future within 24 hours, it's no wonder poor old Joe Public is confused.
Both are correct. The virus will almost certainly not be eradicated, there are very few viral diseases that have been truly eradicated, but to the extent that it may be weakened as a result of mutations, or that herd immunity makes transmission les easy for it (the virus), or indeed one or more of the vaccines may be efficacious and again reduce infections to manageable levels; or indeed all three. Vaccination won't be the answer if enough anti-vaxers refuse to have the vaccination, and there are enough dimwits and conspiracy theorists posting garbage about immunisations on the interweb to make that a very likely scenario.

The problem with Joe Public is that not everyone has the intelligence to listen to and observes rules (or is it guidance, or perhaps advice - in UK, who knows?) and some are just too darn right selfish to bother complying because it gets in the way of what they want to do at any particular time.
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The two statements are not contradictory. As a result of modern technology, mainly vaccines, the pandemic will be over sometime next year. However the virus will remain and will gradually mutate, and it's likely that any vaccine will not give immunity for a long time , so periodic revaccination will be needed. I assume I will get it along with my annual flu jab.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 21:05
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
The problem with Joe Public is that not everyone has the intelligence to listen to and observes rules (or is it guidance, or perhaps advice - in UK, who knows?) and some are just too darn right selfish to bother complying because it gets in the way of what they want to do at any particular time.
Lets remind ourselves that the idiot who projected 500,000 dead was responsible for slaughtering was it 2 or 10 million animals at the height of Foot and Mouth based on his predictions and couldn't keep his **** in his trousers while lecturing everybody is still around.

Govt ministers and civil servants including PM caught it by ignoring rules, Govt rules pushed nursing homes into accepting people tested positive with Covid-19, with said nursing homes not having PPE.

The list of sheer incompetence goes on including destroying the economy.

But Joe Public is responsible rather than a clueless inept Govt who refused to act again and again when its members breached every guideline. Nobody trust BOJO or his Govt because they have been wrong so often and why bother following Govt edicts when Govt refuses to.
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Old 22nd Aug 2020, 22:26
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But it was Joe Public who elected them. Not even s Corbyn-led coalition could have been so useless.
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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 05:30
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Originally Posted by racedo

Govt ministers and civil servants including PM caught it by ignoring rules, Govt rules pushed nursing homes into accepting people tested positive with Covid-19, with said nursing homes not having PPE.

The list of sheer incompetence goes on including destroying the economy.

But Joe Public is responsible rather than a clueless inept Govt who refused to act again and again when its members breached every guideline. Nobody trust BOJO or his Govt because they have been wrong so often and why bother following Govt edicts when Govt refuses to.
Yes indeed, Corbyn and Dianne Abbot and co would have done a great job steering the country so it avoided Covid. There would have been no care home deaths, no recession, no shortage of PPE. These problems would just have been issues in the rest of the world but not here.

You will find that many countries had and still do have major problems with nursing homes. It was not just an English problem like you are implying. Closer to home Scotland had major problems.

I would be interested to know what you would have done to save the economy seeing the whole world has a wrecked economy?

As you say Joe Public is indeed the cause of the pandemic. This government was slow to react but there would have been no appetite for a New Zealand approach which contained the virus by shutting itself off from the rest of the world.

No holidays would be allowed in Croatia if you lived in New Zealand, not even for recedo.

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Old 23rd Aug 2020, 06:30
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Well said.

How anyone can say that a different Government would definitely have done a better job is surprising to say the least. Look around the World and you will find that most governments have made many mistakes along the way in trying to grapple with this appalling pandemic, for which no one was prepared. One huge advantage that New Zealand had was its relative isolation while Britain is one of the World's largest international travel hubs which put us at an immediate disadvantage at the start of all this.
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A contagious outbreak of 20/20 hindsight seems to be a side-effect of this pandemic
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