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Old 27th Apr 2020, 21:31
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Nicola Sturgeon was asked if she would consider closing the border between Scotland and England and her response was that she did not have the power to do so and that she was taking a four nation approach. That is how it got into the papers.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 21:47
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Originally Posted by wub
Nicola Sturgeon was asked if she would consider closing the border between Scotland and England and her response was that she did not have the power to do so and that she was taking a four nation approach. That is how it got into the papers.
I see what you are saying but if that is the case how can every media outlet state that she had condsidered the closure. I am also sure all the media outlets did not get together and say lets all report the same story. I know she cannot in reality do it, but surely every media outlet must have caught onto something. I am glad she is taking a four Nation approach to this pandemic its very important to do that and realise that four nations are better together even after the pandemic.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 22:39
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Nicola Sturgeon was asked if she would consider closing the border between Scotland and England and her response was that she did not have the power to do so and that she was taking a four nation approach. That is how it got into the papers.
She did indeed say that....but she went on to say much more, implying that she would act in Scotland's interests if she felt that the UK government took decisions that she thought were premature:

“That means if – it is an if, I'm not saying that we're likely to get into this territory – if the UK government took decisions that I thought were premature in terms of coming out of the lockdown then clearly I would want to make sure that Scotland did what I judged was best to protect the population.''

Even the 'National' - 'the newspaper that supports an independent Scotland' - interpreted her words to mean, 'Nicola Sturgeon could ask to close border if UK ends lockdown prematurely'.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/18...n-prematurely/
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 09:39
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Any rumours / news on the June schedule (for purely selfish reasons of course)? EZY and RYR were looking at a June restart of sorts a few weeks ago.

Any chance some of these airlines realise that it's cheaper to run some of these flights empty and "operational" than refund all of the cash and put it back into the court of the insurers? (a la Wizz Air).
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 12:21
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From "Travel Mole":

Argentina has banned all domestic and international flights until September 1. IATA is warning that more than 300,000 jobs are at risk as a result.

Non-residents have been barred from entering Argentina since March and now the country's National Civil Aviation Administration has decreed that airlines should be banned from selling tickets on commercial flights for the next four months.

The country has nearly 4000 confirmed cases of coronavirus and so far 192 people have died from the infection.

Meanwhile, Alta, a group which lobbies interests of Latin American and Caribbean airlines, said the decree was not 'agreed with the industry'.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 12:41
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But a ban on selling flights that airlines won't operate would really help here in Europe too. Norwegian announced they won't fly anywhere but Norway for a year but still is selling tickets all over Europe. Wizz is also selling full old summer schedule despite having already cut staff and not having crew to operate all of them anymore. I am sure there many more examples.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 20:52
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It will only be a temporary thing, but good in helping airlines keep at least some aircraft and crews flying.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 22:38
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helipaxman, and also bear in mind that a great majority of these flights are most likely not operating with full loads. Possibly quite the contrary.
Very true, friend of a younger relative travelled from Boston to Kentucky to stay with his brother and family for the lockdown 3 - 4 weeks ago.

There were no specific distancing rules suggested by the aircrew on the plane which was a 737, well in reality he and the other passenger decided one at the front one at the rear was probably ok, he told crew getting on that he didn't require any drinks or food, seems other guy did so as well, Captain did call them out by name as coming in to land and said thanks for making it easy for us too.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 22:42
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Originally Posted by LTNman
We are not a Communist state where they could shut off parts of the country and duff up the locals who broke restrictions.
Nope just abuse them in the media, have people attacked because someone deems them to have broken house arrest and the media compliant and refuse to ask any hard questions of the Government.

Few have questioned the Govt who screwed things up, all of a sudden imposing mass house arrest on people, what is scary is how willing people gave up their rights without question.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 22:46
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She was asked the question and she made it quite clear that she had no power to do so, even if she wanted to. Oddly enough it would be much easier than, say, between northern Ireland and Eire, because there are only a few crossing points.
Don't believe the newspapers.
There are 208 across a 310 mile border between NI and ROI. All courtesy of Brexit calculations. Not sure between Scotland and England.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 22:49
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I see what you are saying but if that is the case how can every media outlet state that she had condsidered the closure..
Media lies and spins the lie..

Welcome to the real world.
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 23:56
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I think that there are no more than 20 crossing points.
As regards the media, most of the papers are unionist and will spin any story one way. Her calm response is twisted into ambiguity.
On the other hand, within the nationalist community there is a faction who are deeply suspicious of Ms Sturgeon anyway, and hate her willingness to operate on a joint 4-nation basis. She is under pressure to adopt distinct policies.
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Even with slight differences between the 4 nations of the U.K. they are insignificant compared to the 27 random policies of the 27 nations of the EU who are all doing their own thing.
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Old 29th Apr 2020, 07:28
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Originally Posted by inOban
I think that there are no more than 20 crossing points.
As regards the media, most of the papers are unionist and will spin any story one way. Her calm response is twisted into ambiguity.
On the other hand, within the nationalist community there is a faction who are deeply suspicious of Ms Sturgeon anyway, and hate her willingness to operate on a joint 4-nation basis. She is under pressure to adopt distinct policies.
There is 3 border crossing points at Gretna alone.
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Originally Posted by inOban
On the other hand, within the nationalist community there is a faction who are deeply suspicious of Ms Sturgeon anyway, and hate her willingness to operate on a joint 4-nation basis. She is under pressure to adopt distinct policies.
How can she be operating on a joint 4-nation basis. If she was, she would not have hinted that things would be done differently if England eases their lockdown early, no mention of what she will do if Wales or Northern ireland ease their lockdowns early. Secondly she is telling us in Scotland it is advisable to wear face masks in public. Are they doing that in the other three nations ? Next step true or false ? she has then said she might make it compulsory to wear face masks.Again seperate policies from the other three nations.

Have you tried to get a face mask ? With a shortage of PPE every member of public wearing a face mask is taking one away from NHS and key workers.

There are three points to cross the border at Gretna, thats by road/rail, this is an aviation forum how is she going to stop people flying across, I don't think Scotland has it's own CAA
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 14:18
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Will anyone want to go to Greece this year for their summer hols? https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...ts-this-summer
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Will anyone want to go to Greece this year for their summer hols? https://www.travelweekly.co.uk/artic...ts-this-summer
I am currently still booked with TUI for the end of June to Rhodes (Tui have not cancelled it yet but after changing the dates of all cancellations yesterday to 11th June I am certain it will change again). I love Greece but hope my holiday gets cancelled, will get a refund voucher and go when its settled down, whenever that might be.

After reading the restrictions, good on Greece for doing so and protecting their own Country, maybe others could learn from them, USA now 60,000+ deaths UK 26,000+ but sadly we keep letting people in. The one that I see as being a problem is getting a coronavirus test done before travel to Greece. Currently there are not enought tests available for front line NHS staff and Key workers. So its not ethical to ask them to give up a single test so that someone can go on holiday for pure pleasure when they are risking their lives.

Today is the day that the Government has said 100,000 tests should be carried out. Lets see ?

Stay home stay safe and protect lives, holidays can wait !
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 15:34
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Have people seen this

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...JNFG8lAroPI0Kc

Might not do much good but we can only try
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 15:36
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The whole point for going on holiday is to relax and to forget your problems. Don’t blame the Greeks for taking action but it doesn’t sound like it will be a relaxing holiday having to think about social distancing when you just know others won’t bother.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 15:41
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Have people seen this

https://petition.parliament.uk/petit...JNFG8lAroPI0Kc

Might not do much good but we can only try
Money will come from the taxpayer but if there was an extra tax called the aviation tax that people could opt into to save the industry I wonder how many signing the petition would agree to pay the tax?
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