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What on earth makes you say that ? I bare ,nor have I ever done, no I’ll will towards BEE whatsoever. I merely commented on the fact that EZY moving in on the Manchester - Jersey route made me expect that BEE would not be able to compete; & that I would have expected them to have to abandon it , that’s all. Now they have; & not necessarily because they could not compete with EZY. I have professional & personal relationships with BEE that go right back to the days of Intra Airways. I have never had any issues with them whatsoever. I simply comment on situations as I see them. I am in no way gloating over the situation. I am deeply saddened that you have taken such comments to indicate that I bore them any kind of malice. Please enlighten me as to where you get your inspiration for your comment.
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What on earth makes you say that ? I bare ,nor have I ever done, no I’ll will towards BEE whatsoever. I merely commented on the fact that EZY moving in on the Manchester - Jersey route made me expect that BEE would not be able to compete; & that I would have expected them to have to abandon it , that’s all. Now they have; & not necessarily because they could not compete with EZY. I have professional & personal relationships with BEE that go right back to the days of Intra Airways. I have never had any issues with them whatsoever. I simply comment on situations as I see them. I am in no way gloating over the situation. I am deeply saddened that you have taken such comments to indicate that I bore them any kind of malice. Please enlighten me as to where you get your inspiration for your comment.
“ I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have ! “
Not that you need me to clarify but BE didn’t pull
off the route, they went out of business. Two very different things. Pulling off a route is a voluntary decision, closing the business down wasn’t.
To be fair, I also read your comment as distasteful whether you meant it that way or not.
“ I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have ! “
Not that you need me to clarify but BE didn’t pull
off the route, they went out of business. Two very different things. Pulling off a route is a voluntary decision, closing the business down wasn’t.
“ I have been waiting for BEE to pull off the route. Now, they have ! “
Not that you need me to clarify but BE didn’t pull
off the route, they went out of business. Two very different things. Pulling off a route is a voluntary decision, closing the business down wasn’t.
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Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZY’s strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that one’s best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another person’s comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.
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Well, this is a lesson to me in how someone can find offence in something that was meant without any intention of causing offence. All that I was trying to say was that I was expecting BEE to find the competition from EZY on the Manchester route to be too strong to withstand. The other comment about BEE pulling off the route was meant to acknowledge the irony that they had now done this- but involuntarily. There was never any intention to appear to be gloating over what has happened, or of wanting it to happen. The whole commentary was meant to convey to garstag that there was little prospect of BCI operating the same route in competition with an airline of EZY’s strength. And that alone. If I have caused offence, I apologize for having posted something that could be taken that way. I repeat, that was never the intention. However, this episode has illustrated to me that one’s best intentions can be misconstrued quite easily, perhaps the more so if someone is of a mindset to identify another person’s comments as worthy of an interpretation that was never intended ; or even thought of as likely to be understood in that manner.
Regular readers of this forum soon form an idea of the posters and can detect trolls and those out to gloat. The comments of kcockayne fall into neither of these categories. While care is needed in posting comments, it is impossible in debates of this kind to completely avoid being misunderstood. Our interpretations can be very subjective. The fact that an apology was quickly offered proves the genuineness of the poster. (Trolls never apologize.) Surely most of us are genuinely sorry for those working at the coal-face who have been badly let down by their employers. We wish Blue Islands and other carriers every success and hope those out of work through the Flybe calamity will soon fare rather better.
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The problem we all face is that typed comments are simply read by others rather than heard in a particular tone of voice. The same comment heard vocally would indicate the inner feelings of the person who had made it. When I read the comment some have taken exception to, I did not detect any gloating over the demise of Flybe but rather irony. The comment had nothing to do with Flybe employees who had been made redundant overnight.
Regular readers of this forum soon form an idea of the posters and can detect trolls and those out to gloat. The comments of kcockayne fall into neither of these categories. While care is needed in posting comments, it is impossible in debates of this kind to completely avoid being misunderstood. Our interpretations can be very subjective. The fact that an apology was quickly offered proves the genuineness of the poster. (Trolls never apologize.) Surely most of us are genuinely sorry for those working at the coal-face who have been badly let down by their employers. We wish Blue Islands and other carriers every success and hope those out of work through the Flybe calamity will soon fare rather better.
Regular readers of this forum soon form an idea of the posters and can detect trolls and those out to gloat. The comments of kcockayne fall into neither of these categories. While care is needed in posting comments, it is impossible in debates of this kind to completely avoid being misunderstood. Our interpretations can be very subjective. The fact that an apology was quickly offered proves the genuineness of the poster. (Trolls never apologize.) Surely most of us are genuinely sorry for those working at the coal-face who have been badly let down by their employers. We wish Blue Islands and other carriers every success and hope those out of work through the Flybe calamity will soon fare rather better.
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You're most welcome. I can see that your past contributions have been thoughtful as well as informative. Reading some folk's comments, it is evident that they rush into things and express themselves carelessly without reading what they have written. If we were to pick them up on their unpunctuated comments and misspelt words, they would probably take great exception! Let's keep up the helpful dialogue. Those with a professional and personal interest in aviation matters stand out from the folk on the other side who struggle to offer anything really worthwhile.
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You're most welcome. I can see that your past contributions have been thoughtful as well as informative. Reading some folk's comments, it is evident that they rush into things and express themselves carelessly without reading what they have written. If we were to pick them up on their unpunctuated comments and misspelt words, they would probably take great exception! Let's keep up the helpful dialogue. Those with a professional and personal interest in aviation matters stand out from the folk on the other side who struggle to offer anything really worthwhile.
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Could be the making of BCI - if they get it right.
Newquay to London would surely suit them
PSO funding may enable them to expand, but I suspect an ATR might not be welcome at LHR?
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No but other London airports are available including LGW where it was moving to anyway and which seems to be the local preference. And LCY for that matter, the Dundee PSO has got in there.
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I guess the only issue is that the PSO doesn’t come with slots, the operator needs to source them.
That might be possible in the short term at LGW as I expect the reduction in flying may mean airlines would be happy to find a home for these given the COVID issues.
That might be possible in the short term at LGW as I expect the reduction in flying may mean airlines would be happy to find a home for these given the COVID issues.