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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 20:22
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Is Timmy bleating here? he has been given short shrift on the Flybe thread.

We don't yet know what is being cut. Flybe have said that they will still be serving DSA using Dash aircraft, presumably on W patterns. It's hard to imagine them doing the longer Spain/Portugal flights, but hopefully we will keep Dublin, Amsterdam, Belfast and Paris in some form.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 21:36
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Originally Posted by Robert-Ryan
Last time an airline screwed Peel over like this they screwed them back to the tune of £12m...
Forgive me for my seeming ignorance, but aren’t the airlines the customer of an airport? If their chosen airport fails to deliver the passenger throughput to sustain a viable operation then the airline is surely free to leave on that basis? Caveats of buy in deals aside - coincidentally FlyBe were bought in - how much leverage do you think that gives a struggling airport when trying to attract new airline custom?

Beggars cant be choosers. As defined here.

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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 22:27
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Originally Posted by pug


Forgive me for my seeming ignorance, but arenít the airlines the customer of an airport? If their chosen airport fails to deliver the passenger throughput to sustain a viable operation then the airline is surely free to leave on that basis? Caveats of buy in deals aside - coincidentally FlyBe were bought in - how much leverage do you think that gives a struggling airport when trying to attract new airline custom?

Beggars cant be choosers. As defined here.
As someone who lives only 25 miles away from DSA, I would love to use the airport for all my flights. However, the only airline that flies anywhere of interest to me, is TUI, but at silly prices compared to flights with Jet2 from BHX or LBA. Not sure how DSA can be blamed for not delivering the passenger throughput if the airline itself is offering uncompetitive fares to pax that would love to use their local airport.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 22:40
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Originally Posted by TimmyW
I guess the big question now for the future of DSA is whether anyone is going to come in and fill the gap left by Flybe?

This loss will be several hundred thousand passengers per year.

I just can't see who. Easyjet maybe?
easyJet have been and gone, can't see any reason they'd be back. The airport need a slice of the Jet2 cake, though that may be extremely hard to achieve, but who knows.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 23:01
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Age old argument of passengers wanting to reduce an airlines revenue by suggesting that they give them cut price fares on flights where passenger demand is already hard to justify. Well done also to EI-BUD for proposing that Jet2 should multiply its costs and compete on its own services.

The airport owner can only be blamed for opening an airport in an area where propensity to fly isn’t high enough to fulfil their ambitions. My response was aimed directly at a poster that was keen to remind people that the last time an airline crossed Peel by dropping Teesside from their schedule, the airline in question ended up £12million out of pocket. Great incentive to attract new business in an already saturated market.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 23:47
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Originally Posted by pug

If their chosen airport fails to deliver the passenger throughput to sustain a viable operation then the airline is surely free to leave on that basis?
DTVA were delivering the pax though, and I don't buy into the lack of yield argument either
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 09:21
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Originally Posted by pug
Age old argument of passengers wanting to reduce an airlines revenue by suggesting that they give them cut price fares on flights where passenger demand is already hard to justify. Well done also to EI-BUD for proposing that Jet2 should multiply its costs and compete on its own services.

The airport owner can only be blamed for opening an airport in an area where propensity to fly isnít high enough to fulfil their ambitions. My response was aimed directly at a poster that was keen to remind people that the last time an airline crossed Peel by dropping Teesside from their schedule, the airline in question ended up £12million out of pocket. Great incentive to attract new business in an already saturated market.
Good morning Pug,
My point is that the this is the greatest opportunity that the airport can wish for now, they've explored so many avenues already, easyJet, Ryanair etc.
The topic is wasn't about Jet2.
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Jet2 have significant market power particularly in the family and packaged holiday market, if DSA want a big slice of the cake in the region, Jet2 could bring it. I wouldn't speculate on the commercials or such things as cost duplication. We don't always see the cost benefit analysis and many airlines operate from neighbouring airports with commercial justification, let me give you some examples;

Ryanair - bases at PIK, GLA and EDI
Jet2 - bases at LBA, MAN
Jet2 - bases at BHX, EMA
easyJet - bases at LTN, STN, SEN

I agree that the region is incredibly competitive from an airport perspective, but airline do and can often justify having bases close together and there is nothing to say that Jet2 however unlikely it may be, couldn't split their operation between LBA and DSA, without duplication of services. Afterall, reading the history on the threads for DSA, the belief seems to be that DSA could prove an excellent alternstive to LBA. Indeed there was a group of posters proposing a new alternstive airport for Leeds at one point. I wonder what commercial rationale that stood behind that.

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Old 5th Apr 2019, 16:13
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EI-BUD, it is less populated than West Yorkshire and East Midlands region, barring some significant strategic shift it just isn’t going to happen. Sorry. Jet2 haven’t grown to be the strong business they are through duplicating costs. Quite the opposite in fact. The examples you have given are of different airlines and entirely different locations which have their own idiosyncrasies.

I maintain that the best best bet for growth in that sector would be from easyJet given that they have no coverage throughout central and Eastern England between NCL and LTN/STN. So if they show no interest, what makes you think that Jet2 -with large bases at LBA, EMA and MAN - would fare any better? Sorry to labour the point, but we were told 15 years ago that airlines would vote with their feet. They have.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 21:44
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD
Ryanair - bases at PIK, GLA and EDI
Ryanair actually closed their base at GLA, this was first announced over a year ago. Many of the flights were moved to EDI.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 00:00
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Originally Posted by pug
EI-BUD, it is less populated than West Yorkshire and East Midlands region, barring some significant strategic shift it just isnít going to happen. Sorry. Jet2 havenít grown to be the strong business they are through duplicating costs. Quite the opposite in fact. The examples you have given are of different airlines and entirely different locations which have their own idiosyncrasies.

I maintain that the best best bet for growth in that sector would be from easyJet given that they have no coverage throughout central and Eastern England between NCL and LTN/STN. So if they show no interest, what makes you think that Jet2 -with large bases at LBA, EMA and MAN - would fare any better? Sorry to labour the point, but we were told 15 years ago that airlines would vote with their feet. They have.
With respect Easyjet left at a totally different time at DSA, it was located in the back of beyond , hard to get to .and this certainly stifled it's potential.
There was very little freight and it seemed a lack of interest from management.

Now it is well connected directly to several motorways ( via M18 ), EG , M1 , A1(M) , M62 etc.
Cargo is going through the roof , this change with Flybe had NOTHING to do with a bad airport , it was EVERY airport , an Airline consolidating back to its core and best known business -short - medium sectors on Dash8 aircraft.

And IS continuing , further investment is being made by the airport team and will be going ahead shortly with , a major refresh and fair sized Terminal expansion , also into previously an unused ( mothballed) part of the Terminal .

During one debate here or elsewhere some link to an alleged comment by a potential Airline , stating these changes were expected if expansion was to occur .

TUI pulled from both EMA and LBA' , and even on this forum , was an EMA post about DSA ' poaching custom now, and are up to , Three based 737, ( TUI ) , plus one visiting weekly longhaul 787 this year , and much more next year as Cancun , has been added .

To sum up the airport is a very different prospect now, since ' easyJet ( 9 years ago !! ) , The airport year on year wins awards as best airport .
So you cannot compare, and equate why easyJet are not coming

Nobody knows for sure, also on these very pages people said , exactly the same of Flybe " won't ever open a base , it will dilute surrounding airports" .
And that was proven wrong .
Noone knows the future, you cannot say for sure who will open routes .
But eventually they will come .
Who and when , you'll just have to wait and see!.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 00:39
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All sounds quite positive.

https://www.doncasterlocalonline.co....X67rw9Xn8gIVh8
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Old 23rd Apr 2019, 22:22
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Any truth to the rumour that both DSA and LPL have been put up for sale today??
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 01:59
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Not sure. Although it wouldn't be a bad thing. Peel have very little care in airport passenger operations. It would be good to see new energy behind the running of these two airports from an organisation with more passion and/or experience.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 05:37
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Lets hope Stobart doesn't buy them or it will be groundhog day for Durham Tees Valley.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
Not sure. Although it wouldn't be a bad thing. Peel have very little care in airport passenger operations. It would be good to see new energy behind the running of these two airports from an organisation with more passion and/or experience.
Agreed. Wouldnít take too much to put DSA even more on the map, get the terminal extended and get that airbridge in ASAP. Border entrance in particular I think will cause issues this summer I fear - which the terminal extension would have solved.
If Newcastle can support a daily Emirates 777 so can DSA, particularly with the cargo facilities.
Some head hunting wouldnít go a miss either, get some more personal with proven track records in key positions.

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Old 24th Apr 2019, 09:55
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Originally Posted by Cautious Optimist
Any truth to the rumour that both DSA and LPL have been put up for sale today??
Where have you heard this?
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 15:04
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New owner of DTVA told a local village at a meeting about the airport
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 15:45
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Wouldn't trust that source ,going on his email
I got where he promised on 1 million plus pax at DTVA
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Old 6th May 2019, 10:38
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Flybe timetable starting to yield information on the winter schedule. AMS (daily) and BHD (4 X weekly) match last winters frequencies utilizing BHD and BHX props. So far so good.
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Old 6th May 2019, 11:24
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Originally Posted by egcntristar
Flybe timetable starting to yield information on the winter schedule. AMS (daily) and BHD (4 X weekly) match last winters frequencies utilizing BHD and BHX props. So far so good.
Where were you able to find that?
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