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Old 18th Jul 2019, 16:55
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Wizz to start a 2 X weekly Chisinau service in December.
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 09:43
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£3.5m on a 2000 space car park, £350k on a 76 seater costa. Are either of those needed with current traffic volume?? Especially with the Flybe jets leaving..

I wonder if we will soon see an announcement from Wizz??

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Old 7th Aug 2019, 11:32
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Originally Posted by Alwayslistening
£3.5m on a 2000 space car park, £350k on a 76 seater costa. Are either of those needed with current traffic volume?? Especially with the Flybe jets leaving..

I wonder if we will soon see an announcement from Wizz??

You need to sell a lot of coffee for that sort of investment. I wonder what the payback period is on £350k?
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Old 7th Aug 2019, 13:09
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Costa

With the higher costs associated with airports the 350k would be paid back over a period of 10 to 15 years. Provided the revenue of the store is over 10k a week. And costs are well managed by the store manager. (wasteage/staff/sales drive).

Costa is a well liked British brand so will do well here I believe.
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Originally Posted by PintofDoom
With the higher costs associated with airports the 350k would be paid back over a period of 10 to 15 years. Provided the revenue of the store is over 10k a week. And costs are well managed by the store manager. (wasteage/staff/sales drive).

Costa is a well liked British brand so will do well here I believe.
I have never worked for a company that would accept a payback period of that length of time. Anything over 5 years would be thrown out of court at a very early stage in the decision making process.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 18:23
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Wonder which bit of passenger seating will go for Costa. Wetherspoons already has half the departures lounge.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 07:47
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Its a tough market going forward and its hard seeing where growth will come from other than incumbents. Hopefully TUI will keep expanding as next year sees Cancun as well as Sanford for long haul in addition to the three based aircraft. The long hoped for hub connection is no nearer and looks as far off as ever, KLM seem to find slots at slot constrained Schipol whenever they need them - they have the best coverage of the UK regions out of all carriers and so would seem them most likely candidate to do something but aren't interested. The Brexit cloud doesn't phase Wizz who keep expanding - if they were concerned by Brexit they have a funny way of showing it as Chisinau, Timisoara and Krakow have been the most recent additions. If a low cost carrier such as Vueling can't be tempted in to provide a link to Barcelona or the Costa's then its status quo unless Wizz are prepared to base, which then leaves the annual passenger total around 1.5M.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:12
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Originally Posted by davidjpowell
Wonder which bit of passenger seating will go for Costa. Wetherspoons already has half the departures lounge.
The thing is, there is plenty of space in the terminal to make use of without the need to forfeit passenger seating capacity. This is in the form of the closed self service catering unit to the side of Subway. Also the whole area on the North end of the terminal by the mainly unused Finningley Windmill (Weatherspoons) bar area. Of course the airport will however prefer to remove seats to try and encourage passengers to go sit in the outlets instead.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:18
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That would be LBA in 2002 just before Jet2 changed the airport. Get Wizz UK in and DSA could see the same growth LBA has witnessed over the last 17 years (yes itís that long!) There doesnít seem to be any potential expansion from anywhere else. Yet strangely it would only take Wizz UK basing 4 aircraft to attract competition in Vueling or even FR or Easy. BE have proved there are markets other than AMS and CDG but only at low relative frequency. If market was seen to exist for a based carrier at higher frequency the competition would want a slice. All of this offset against keeping TUI happy which could potentially stifle any efforts for expansion - but at least Wizz arenít an Inclusive Tour Operator.
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Heaven forbid an airport try's to make money!
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:48
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Heaven forbid an airport try's to make money!
Airports need to make money. Or rather their outlets do, which in turn ensure pay rents to the airport. However, that should NOT need to be at the detriment of passenger comfort or other facilities. Adequate seating is a large part of the passenger experience. It comes up time and time again in surveys and feedback.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:56
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Adequate seating is a large part of the passenger experience. It comes up time and time again in surveys and feedback.
Does it pay the bills? This is the price of cheap flights.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 20:55
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Does it pay the bills? This is the price of cheap flights.
Technically yes. Repeat business from.customer satisfaction is key.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly
Technically yes. Repeat business from.customer satisfaction is key.
and the key to customer satisfaction is cheaper and cheaper flights........They might moan about a lack of seating but the cheaper flights will always draw them back..O`Leary has proved that.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:08
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Heaven forbid an airport try's to make money!
Nowt wrong with that.
But if thereís no one about the coffee is going to go cold and the parking spaces will be empty.

Its a a big increase in both seating/parking for less people as of this years pax on say next years pax. In my View the airport must have something lined up to do all this work if not then itís all in vain.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:57
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Originally Posted by DSA-DUB


Nowt wrong with that.
But if thereís no one about the coffee is going to go cold and the parking spaces will be empty.

Its a a big increase in both seating/parking for less people as of this years pax on say next years pax. In my View the airport must have something lined up to do all this work if not then itís all in vain.
The car park expansion was lined up and signed before Flybe announced the based closure.

They will be a big loss next year, and could see sub 1 million passengers again.

Wizz basing is pure fantasy.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 09:00
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Sub 1M is doubtful as the Wizz seat allocation is 800,000 alone, add to that the three based TUI and a couple of long haul and top it off with the remaining Flybe. Worse case will probably be 1.3M for 2020.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 09:36
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Fair point.

It's a shame that some of the Flybe routes will seemingly be lost for good now. Jersey, Dublin, Paris.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 10:34
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I'd find it hopeful that RYR would start services from DUB, AGP, and ALC with aircraft at those bases. (similar to what happens at NCL)

TUI loads on the sun routes always appear to be well filled (albeit a lot of package holidaymakers) and BE seemed to have healthy loads during the summertime. I understand yields are what matters, although RYR can achieve better than BE when it comes to that. I always wondered what the CASM would be on BE's E175 on the sun routes; can't be particularly great.

It's a real shame to see DSA falling behind once again with BE's overall departure as I find it a great airport. Typically you can arrive 70 minutes before the flight and still have comfortable timing margins.

Wizz is helping to keep it afloat although I believe it doesn't really help to stimulate local knowledge of the airport as it's generally expats from Poland/Hungary that utilize their flights.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by TimmyW
The car park expansion was lined up and signed before Flybe announced the based closure.

They will be a big loss next year, and could see sub 1 million passengers again.

Wizz basing is pure fantasy.
Wizz basing is very realistic. Very. Heard from various sources at DSA and elsewhere in the UK and it is expected they will base soon, I am hopeful for next summer.. so watch this space.

Also donít count those chickens on the BE summer routes, loads are very very good. Flybe upper management is being overhauled competed!!!
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