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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 03:16
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KLM offer plenty of flights from Eindhoven under the brand of Transavia - focussed very heavily on taking Dutch residents on holiday
Ryanair have a sizeable operation, again focussed on taking people to holiday destinations
TUI seem to do the same thing

Wizz run a lot of routes from Eindhoven to Eastern Europe.

Neither airport has a huge inbound tourism draw. Neither serves a major (and wealthy) city within short travel time.
I cannot see particularly strong corporate/trade links between south Yorkshire and Eindhoven
Unless there is a desperate need to rotate aircraft around bases for maintenance, I am stumped as to why they think Doncaster-Eindhoven will possibly work.

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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 05:09
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
KLM offer plenty of flights from Eindhoven under the brand of Transavia
That is alike suggesting that BA offered plenty of flights from STN under the brand of GO, that TATA cars are coomonplace upon British streets, just that they're called Jaguars and/or Land Rovers etc.

I just happened to work for Transavia on a detachment for 6 months, at that time they were 95% owned by KLM, totally different companies, KLM were merely the shareholders that needed to be answered to whilst Transavia operated as a totally stand-alone operation, with the sole exception of their SPL/LGW/SPL route Transavia were solely holiday charters whilst KLM were solely scheduled services whilst Martinair were solely cargo whilst the handling agent(s) in the group were independent handling agents.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 06:39
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So endless fascination over "why Eindhoven?" (nice short, cheap sector between two "known" airports, keeps the a/c busy between long sectors), but no real discussion of the impact on all the major players north of BHX (airports and airlines) of a second unit being introduced within two weeks?

I bet having another Wizz tank parked on the lawn so quickly is grabbing some attention
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
So endless fascination over "why Eindhoven?" (nice short, cheap sector between two "known" airports, keeps the a/c busy between long sectors), but no real discussion of the impact on all the major players north of BHX (airports and airlines) of a second unit being introduced within two weeks?

I bet having another Wizz tank parked on the lawn so quickly is grabbing some attention
Somewhat bemusing that they are starting, not one but, all four Canaries routes in one roll of the dice, how many people actually care which island they holiday in so long as the price is right and they can fly from their local airport, now it shall likely be "Which Canary Island would you like to go to dear, Ip, Dip, Sky or Blue?" thus operating four aircraft partly loaded rather than one or two aircraft fully loaded.

Regarding the EIN route it has to be something to do with either swapping aircraft, loco's seem incapable of achieving that away from a main operating base by operating aircraft W patterns, or they have a few hours to spare so let's squeeze blood out of a stone than applying some down time maintenance for the aircraft.

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Regarding the EIN route it has to be something to do with either swapping aircraft,
It's a Wizz UK operation, not Wizz mainstream?

they have a few hours to spare so let's squeeze blood out of a stone than applying some down time maintenance for the aircraft.
think the modern phrase is 'making best use of expensive assetts' - it's how LCC's make money!
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 07:41
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It's a Wizz UK operation, not Wizz mainstream?
And where is Wizz UK's maintenance base for B checks and above, at which UK airport?

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think the modern phrase is 'making best use of expensive assetts' - it's how LCC's make money!
All mechanical appliances need some TLC from time time, to neglect aircraft of maintenance is a false economy.
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Old 3rd Sep 2020, 13:46
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So many experts on here as usual. “DSA are useless don’t fly to any destinations” -Announces new destinations- “DSA and Wizz are rubbish, why are they flying there” YAWN

This is excellent news, Wizz won’t stop at two based aircraft.

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Grrr

No doubt nice start up subsidies from Eindhoven and Doncaster.
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Originally Posted by Alwayslistening View Post
So many experts on here as usual. “DSA are useless don’t fly to any destinations” -Announces new destinations- “DSA and Wizz are rubbish, why are they flying there” YAWN

This is excellent news, Wizz won’t stop at two based aircraft.
I guess that you've never heard the true story of the time a certain airline based in Hungary employed a Captain and without so much as a simulator check scheduled him for flying duties, on his first outing soon after airborne he decided for himself that he was incapacitated and declared a MAYDAY, the First Officer took conrol landing back in BUD not just saving the day but saving all the passengers also.

And not a mention of the word "rubbish", there's some mighty fine First Officers out there!
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 21:04
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Ten of the thirteen new routes have been put back to mid December starts, although in reality I doubt the base will get into full swing until restrictions are lifted, which could be a long long time yet.

Also, with the last TUI flights this month, there will only be a handful of weekly departures with the current schedule. I'm not sure how feasible it is keeping the terminal running through the winter on that schedule.
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It will be feasible the same way they managed this summer.

Stop reading the S** and listening to Talkradio.
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Have to ask but is “ TimmyW “ related to “ RW20 “ from
Southampton ?
You sound just like his little brother !!!
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 21:47
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Originally Posted by OC37 View Post
And where is Wizz UK's maintenance base for B checks and above, at which UK airport?



All mechanical appliances need some TLC from time time, to neglect aircraft of maintenance is a false economy.
Plenty of airlines don’t carry out maintenance in their home country. BA carries out A380 work in Manila! There are loads more examples.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 21:48
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
It will be feasible the same way they managed this summer.

Stop reading the S** and listening to Talkradio.
You mean when the terminal was closed?
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 22:05
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You mean when the terminal was closed?
You can read then.

If it needs to be closed it will be on certain days, if not it won't. It will be a business decision again same as every other airport.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 22:12
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A lot will depend on what this government task force will do. Anything other than loosening restrictions will mean another very tough year in 2021. Unfortunately, I see next summer being pretty much identical to this
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 23:15
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You keep saying this, but the Covid issue is so fluid that actions of the past 7 months have purely been reactionary risk mitigation due to lack of knowledge. Restrictions simply cannot continue indefinitely, not just for the sake of the aviation industry but the economy and wellbeing of the population in general.

Assuming a vaccine isn’t forthcoming, then depending on the continued virulence of Covid, more cost effective and rapid testing is likely to be a high focus for development.

Hoping for positive developments next year with a return to growth generally by Summer 21. Wizzair U.K. are good to go and simply waiting for a relaxation in restrictions.
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 00:19
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TimmyW can you just stop being so pessimistic

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Old 9th Oct 2020, 07:17
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Testing at airports would be a big help but unfortunately the cost factor would not be appealing to the majority.
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 07:51
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You’re making judgements based on cost per head as of now - and credited your source as the Sun! Tests are in development to reduce both the cost and time to result. I find it hard to believe that movement will not have happened on this before next summer, given the incentives to do so.. Not to mention that history tells us pandemics do have a shelf life, one way or another this will pass.

My concerns longer term are how the Government are likely to confront climate change and the fallout from brexit. Perhaps the apparent reluctance to offer assurance to airlines is borne out of these factors..
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