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Yes, but I'm specifically highlighting here the London - Dublin service. As a frequent flyer, I'm in and out of Dublin weekly for the past 6 months for business reasons. I've used a variety of different airlines, ranging from Aer Lingus, BA, Ryanair and even Flybe. With the exception of Flybe, I have never had any major delays or flight cancellation on the route. The services on this route generally run like clock work from all of these carriers, except for Flybe.
My point being, the need for added comfort and peace of mind that Are Lingus will put you up in a hotel if they cancel a flight is such a rare need on such a smoothly running route, I fail to see how accumulating significant airfare cost differences can be jusyified. The risk / reward ratio is just not justifying the price of the Aer Lingus fares on the London to Dublin services.
If my flight was unfortunately cancelled and it necessitated my need for hotel accommodation then I'd much rather take control off that expense for myself and be free to arrange my own overnight accommodation and taxi / chauffeur service myself and expense back to my company.
We can't justify spending significant flight costs on an annual basis on this London to Dublin route when the chance of a (rare) cancellation occurring is used as a business rationale argument to support buying Aer Lingus tickets versus others. (Flybe, by the way, have been consistently poor service providers on this route, that's been our direct experiences from several staff we've had to send to Dublin on weekly business over the past 6 months - needless to say we dumped Flybe as a direct result). We spend thousands of pounds on business travel London to Dublin each month but can no longer justify the cost differentiators of airfares, our 2019 plan spending means we've imposed rules on what my employees can book and what airlines). It's simply business, and I can't continue to support excessively high airfares on a 1 hour short hop London to Dublin service when there's such an availability of other services and time slots that work when you are running a business and need staff located on time for meetings. Harsh reality and our honest position.
My point being, the need for added comfort and peace of mind that Are Lingus will put you up in a hotel if they cancel a flight is such a rare need on such a smoothly running route, I fail to see how accumulating significant airfare cost differences can be jusyified. The risk / reward ratio is just not justifying the price of the Aer Lingus fares on the London to Dublin services.
If my flight was unfortunately cancelled and it necessitated my need for hotel accommodation then I'd much rather take control off that expense for myself and be free to arrange my own overnight accommodation and taxi / chauffeur service myself and expense back to my company.
We can't justify spending significant flight costs on an annual basis on this London to Dublin route when the chance of a (rare) cancellation occurring is used as a business rationale argument to support buying Aer Lingus tickets versus others. (Flybe, by the way, have been consistently poor service providers on this route, that's been our direct experiences from several staff we've had to send to Dublin on weekly business over the past 6 months - needless to say we dumped Flybe as a direct result). We spend thousands of pounds on business travel London to Dublin each month but can no longer justify the cost differentiators of airfares, our 2019 plan spending means we've imposed rules on what my employees can book and what airlines). It's simply business, and I can't continue to support excessively high airfares on a 1 hour short hop London to Dublin service when there's such an availability of other services and time slots that work when you are running a business and need staff located on time for meetings. Harsh reality and our honest position.
I used to have a concept called the "ABR [Anyone But Ryanair] Premium." Given two flights with equivalently convenient timings (including surface travel time/cost), how much extra would I pay not to fly with Ryanair? That number was higher for me in the days before Ryanair's "Always Getting Better" campaign - since then, they've become (generally) less obnoxious, and to be honest Aer Lingus has become somewhat less "premium" (300 gates in DUB being a case in point), so my own personal ABR Premium is far lower now (and hence I end up flying with Ryanair more often).
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Where are you off to? It's clear you are not keen on Stobart, so you probably won't be so pleased to learn that they now operate a fair number of BA flights DUB-LCY. Aer Lingus, BA or Ryanair don't include baggage or seat selection either. If you want those things, you have to pay for a Plus fare. That's what Ryanair's competition has done to the Irish (and wider European) market. As you have demonstrated, customers may have a preference to check-in luggage and select their seats in advance, but the majority won't pay for it.
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EI-CVA currently in SNN getting her new coat for launch on 17th.
From what I heard it won't be a million miles off the dreadful new Lufthansa livery but in green!
Fingers crossed for EI to pull out a scheme that will make them stand out - the current green top scheme is instantly recognisable among the sea of eurowhite liveries.
From what I heard it won't be a million miles off the dreadful new Lufthansa livery but in green!
Fingers crossed for EI to pull out a scheme that will make them stand out - the current green top scheme is instantly recognisable among the sea of eurowhite liveries.
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EI-CVA currently in SNN getting her new coat for launch on 17th.
From what I heard it won't be a million miles off the dreadful new Lufthansa livery but in green!
Fingers crossed for EI to pull out a scheme that will make them stand out - the current green top scheme is instantly recognisable among the sea of eurowhite liveries.
From what I heard it won't be a million miles off the dreadful new Lufthansa livery but in green!
Fingers crossed for EI to pull out a scheme that will make them stand out - the current green top scheme is instantly recognisable among the sea of eurowhite liveries.
Cleaner than the current top green which has become rather dated.
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Agree that current livery is outdated but they really should have stuck with something along the same lines. KLM were in a similar situation and the subtle changes made a big difference. When they added the new livery to the F70s it knocked 20 years off them!
Ok, it may save the bean counters a few tins of green paint but if that leaked version be true, it would be a massive own goal. Horrid.
I employ my Marketing Director and team to market my business to look unique and stand out from the rest. If I'm walking around ORD or CDG or any airport and I see that green lid, I know it's EI - it is subliminal marketing. I can walk past countless eurowhite liveries on a pier and regardless of the colour of the taiI, I really wouldn't be able to recount which airline they were.
I really hope that the leak is fake and that EI will be bold with a livery that will make a statement - not just blend in with the rest.
Ok, it may save the bean counters a few tins of green paint but if that leaked version be true, it would be a massive own goal. Horrid.
I employ my Marketing Director and team to market my business to look unique and stand out from the rest. If I'm walking around ORD or CDG or any airport and I see that green lid, I know it's EI - it is subliminal marketing. I can walk past countless eurowhite liveries on a pier and regardless of the colour of the taiI, I really wouldn't be able to recount which airline they were.
I really hope that the leak is fake and that EI will be bold with a livery that will make a statement - not just blend in with the rest.
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From what I have seen, and the leaked photo that seems to substantiate the drawings, it´s horrendous! The briefly lived dot com livery would have been better, and it was awful.
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Mr O'Leary must be laughing, not only did his airline take over yellow to the extent that Lufthansa dropped it as 'not premium' but now, and again for free, he'll become the Signature Colours of Dublin.
Ok, it may save the bean counters a few tins of green paint but if that leaked version be true, it would be a massive own goal. Horrid.
It's not (usually!) management that's coming up with this, it's the "creative" teams at the third party agencies.
The new Iberia looks amazing on the heavies lined up in the Madrid sun, however it vanishes into the background outside that setting IMHO.
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the images I've seen online look like the type of faux livery used in many "Airline Simulation" games from about 15 years ago.
IMHO, the main issue is that the Shamrock looks "weak" with the stem curving back, the current "italic shamrock" or a slightly revised version, on the proposed design would look stronger.
I like the font, the current type face looked dated when it was adopted.
Overall, it could have been a lot worse.
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IMHO, the main issue is that the Shamrock looks "weak" with the stem curving back, the current "italic shamrock" or a slightly revised version, on the proposed design would look stronger.
I like the font, the current type face looked dated when it was adopted.
Overall, it could have been a lot worse.
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the images I've seen online look like the type of faux livery used in many "Airline Simulation" games from about 15 years ago.
IMHO, the main issue is that the Shamrock looks "weak" with the stem curving back, the current "italic shamrock" or a slightly revised version, on the proposed design would look stronger.
I like the font, the current type face looked dated when it was adopted.
Overall, it could have been a lot worse.
JAS
IMHO, the main issue is that the Shamrock looks "weak" with the stem curving back, the current "italic shamrock" or a slightly revised version, on the proposed design would look stronger.
I like the font, the current type face looked dated when it was adopted.
Overall, it could have been a lot worse.
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@Refullerman,
EI's arguably a small airline, but weak? that's hardly accurate.
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36635488.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-4-1-1.3345269
JAS
EI's arguably a small airline, but weak? that's hardly accurate.
Aer Lingus made a profit of €269m [in 2017], up €36m in 2016.
A strong performance at Aer Lingus helped drive growth at its parent last year, International Consolidated Airlines Group (IAG), the latest figures show.
Figures published on Thursday show that Aer Lingus grew at the fastest rate of the group’s carriers.
Figures published on Thursday show that Aer Lingus grew at the fastest rate of the group’s carriers.
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@Refullerman,
EI's arguably a small airline, but weak? that's hardly accurate.
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36635488.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-4-1-1.3345269
JAS
EI's arguably a small airline, but weak? that's hardly accurate.
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36635488.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-4-1-1.3345269
JAS
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@Refullerman,
EI's arguably a small airline, but weak? that's hardly accurate.
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36635488.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-4-1-1.3345269
JAS
EI's arguably a small airline, but weak? that's hardly accurate.
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36635488.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/...-4-1-1.3345269
JAS
On its own it was struggling to survive and we did that to death on here. In addition there would be costs IAG pick up in relation to people that previously would have sat with EI if it was a stand alone operation.
