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Old 18th Oct 2018, 12:07
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The lowcostroutes.com website linked to above has the following details
On 2018-10-18 03:06, Flybe released the July 2019 flight schedule from London Southend to Rennes.
On 2018-10-18 03:06, Flybe released the
July 2019 flight schedule from London Southend to Dubrovnik.
On 2018-10-18 03:06, Flybe released the
March 2019 flight schedule from London Southend to Manchester.
On 2018-10-18 03:06, Flybe released the
June 2019 flight schedule from London Southend to Jersey.
On 2018-10-18 03:06, Flybe released the
September 2019 flight schedule from London Southend to Aberdeen
but also has this - with no mention of Southend to Newquay...
On 2018-10-18 03:06, Flybe released the July 2019 flight schedule from Newquay to London Stansted.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 21:42
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Worrying times indeed. Swift action needs taken to rebuild investor confidence.
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Old 18th Oct 2018, 22:03
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Swift action may mean a change of leadership to steady investor confidence and that ANY plan will have substance behind it and be achievable and deliverable for the good of the shareholders... They will be circling for casualties that they can blame for losses... it's a shi$$y world we live in but they are faceless and don't really care about personalities, they just want an ROI for the institutions they have sold the stock for and anyone's head is better than theirs!
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 00:28
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NQY-SEN has been confirmed by newquay as being a STK route under the BE franchise.


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Old 19th Oct 2018, 07:11
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Does this uncertainty with regard to the future of FlyBE make pilots want to jump ship?
Would FlyBE miss them as at this stage it looks like FlyBE is better off retrenching to its strongest routes?
Now that Ryanair are recruiting turboprop captains and first officers, I suspect some may jump. Ryanair's ad stresses their financial stability.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 07:26
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Originally Posted by proud_darcy View Post
Does this uncertainty with regard to the future of FlyBE make pilots want to jump ship?
Would FlyBE miss them as at this stage it looks like FlyBE is better off retrenching to its strongest routes?
Certainly, a few have "jumped" lately. I don't know if this is because of the company's financial state, or not. TUI seems to have been particularly favoured.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 07:54
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I wonder if flyBe can actually shrink to profitability? I don't think any airline has successfully done that in history. I agree with statements that flyBe needs to concentrate on 'core' routes - what are these though? Although markets like MAN and BHX are mentioned, are they really making money flying a 76 seat jet to MXP when easyJet are on the same route and FR are flying up to twice daily to Bergamo. It might be better to serve the smaller regional airports - if you can avoid competing with yourself.
In any case flyBe have long had a problem competing with peers. They couldn't do it at Gatwick, have had a few stabs a LCY and are also at LHR. If flyBe want to improve the per-seat costs of the Q400 fleet they could install an extra 6-8 seats, but fundamentally flyBe needs to decide what kind of airline it wants to be and to stick with it. "Faster than Road or Rail" seemed a good idea and implied that although flyBe may be more expensive than other modes, flying would be quicker - maybe.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 08:44
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
...... It might be better to serve the smaller regional airports - if you can avoid competing with yourself......
There are ongoing recent rumours that Flybe are set to announce 3 new routes from City of Derry Airport in N.Ireland to Manchester Birmingham and Stansted.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 08:45
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"Faster than Road or Rail" seemed a good idea and implied that although flyBe may be more expensive than other modes, flying would be quicker - maybe.
They needed to get a better deal at MAN for this to happen.
I long stopped using Flybe to fly MAN-EDI. & MAN-SOU purely because using MAN T3 this summer, you didn't know whether security would take 5 minutes or two hours. Added to the hassle of drop off and pick up congestion, or the use of remote drop off makes a 40 minutes flight uncompetitive to the alternatives.

Now if part of T3 actually turned into a domestic terminal for quick and easy entry/exit it might make the "Faster than Road or Rail" more viable.
MAN is a major hub for Flybe but the set up in T3 has done it no favours IMHO.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis View Post
They needed to get a better deal at MAN for this to happen.
I long stopped using Flybe to fly MAN-EDI. & MAN-SOU purely because using MAN T3 this summer, you didn't know whether security would take 5 minutes or two hours. Added to the hassle of drop off and pick up congestion, or the use of remote drop off makes a 40 minutes flight uncompetitive to the alternatives.
I agree, MAN T3 is a woefully over-crowded space. I'm sure that if flyBe wanted to that they could organise fast-track security for their passengers at MAN. But they don't, even for full-fare 'all in' tickets. Fast track is available at other airports for 'all in' ticket holders. Hopefully with the MAN TP some airlines will be decanted to the new T2 and/or space made available in T1.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 14:28
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
I agree, MAN T3 is a woefully over-crowded space. I'm sure that if flyBe wanted to that they could organise fast-track security for their passengers at MAN. But they don't, even for full-fare 'all in' tickets. Fast track is available at other airports for 'all in' ticket holders. Hopefully with the MAN TP some airlines will be decanted to the new T2 and/or space made available in T1.
I can't honestly see any airline moves from Terminal 3 to Terminal 1 once Man TP is completed especially as the latter is due for demolition once the expansion of Terminal 2 is finished.

Terminal 1 will more than likely be a Ryanair Terminal with the addition of Flybe and Loganair, it will still feel rather crowded at times but with far fewer airlines I'm sure that the experience of using the Terminal will be much better.

Once Terminal 1 is demolished and with extra stands located on it's footprint I wouldn't be surprised if Terminal 3 is eventually expanded but that's if MAG has the available funds to do so,
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 19:27
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Summer 2019 timetable

Seems to be some odd Sachs for next summer. Looking at exeter.. It looks like one route is . Edin--exe then goes to Belfast then back to exeter. Then exe--edin....odd!?. Paris is twice dailey.winter only then back to once from summer starts.same for amsterdam.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 21:56
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Originally Posted by flybeboy View Post
Seems to be some odd Sachs for next summer. Looking at exeter.. It looks like one route is . Edin--exe then goes to Belfast then back to exeter. Then exe--edin....odd!?. Paris is twice dailey.winter only then back to once from summer starts.same for amsterdam.
Why is that odd? Sounds a normal ‘W’ to me.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 22:11
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Anyone think a takeover is likely? If so, who are the likely candidates? Share price continues to fall....
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 07:37
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IAG.

Split it off part into aer fungus regional. The rest as CityFlyer

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Old 20th Oct 2018, 12:13
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Originally Posted by cornishsimon View Post
IAG.

Split it off part into aer fungus regional. The rest as CityFlyer

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Or wait for them to go bust and then cherry pick what they want. They did exactly that with monarch.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 13:52
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I doubt there's even a single route of Flybe that would appeal to BA.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 14:00
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Originally Posted by brian_dromey View Post
I wonder if flyBe can actually shrink to profitability? I don't think any airline has successfully done that in history. I agree with statements that flyBe needs to concentrate on 'core' routes - what are these though? Although markets like MAN and BHX are mentioned, are they really making money flying a 76 seat jet to MXP when easyJet are on the same route and FR are flying up to twice daily to Bergamo. It might be better to serve the smaller regional airports - if you can avoid competing with yourself.
In any case flyBe have long had a problem competing with peers. They couldn't do it at Gatwick, have had a few stabs a LCY and are also at LHR. If flyBe want to improve the per-seat costs of the Q400 fleet they could install an extra 6-8 seats, but fundamentally flyBe needs to decide what kind of airline it wants to be and to stick with it. "Faster than Road or Rail" seemed a good idea and implied that although flyBe may be more expensive than other modes, flying would be quicker - maybe.
This is the post I most agree with re the events of the last few days. Every business needs a profitable core which provides a fallback position in difficult times and a springboard in better times. It feels as if flyBe has a lot of activities which wash their face when times are good but struggle in adverse conditions. Their best chance would be if the big boys decided they were better off franchising some feeder routes out rather than doing them themselves -- as with the old BA Connect services flyBe run out of Manchester and Birmingham. That might give a stable base to build around. But it would have to be genuinely seamless partnership in terms of check in, ground facilities etc. I was quite shocked a while back at Manchester that you couldn't check in at the empty flyBe desk for an AF flight to Paris, 'see that queue over there sir'. Maybe another category is routes which are near-commercial which there are public interest arguments for providing stability of support. We've seen over the last forty years the space occupied by flyBe is a declining market--- slot scarcity at the hubs, rail improvements, locos, APD, increased transit times through busy airports are just some of the factors. It's a tough old world out there and that's without making too many corporate mistakes.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 16:09
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Originally Posted by cornishsimon View Post
IAG.

Split it off part into aer fungus regional. The rest as CityFlyer

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Cornishsimon,
Is there a need to refer to Aer Lingus in this way?
The airline has achieved more than most others, surviving the most stealth of competition from Ryanair, while sustainanly growing its network. Newquay has been well supported by the Aer Lingus brand, and has equally opened up North America from Newquay.
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Old 20th Oct 2018, 21:31
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I doubt there's even a single route of Flybe that would appeal to BA.
You’re right, and the loss of Flybe would be far more damaging to the UK than Monarch. Flybe are pretty important for connectivity and by extension the economy of places like Exeter, Southampton. Someone like BMI Regional might offer core routes like MAN at high cost, but I doubt the range of destinations and frequency would ever be as good.
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