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Very many thanks to all the FlyBe crew who over many years have got me safely home to Manchester.
The flight deck crew who performed at superb levels in all sorts of horrendous weather at MAN, IOM, BHD, JER, HAN and others. Always felt safer with your real flying skills up front on a bad night, and not with some button pushers.
The great crew in the cabin: always cheery, up for a joke, but knowing that when push came to shove (perhaps literally), they were on top of their jobs.
What a loss; what a waste.
Here’s hoping for the best for you great guys.
You will be sorely missed by me, humble ageing passenger...
The flight deck crew who performed at superb levels in all sorts of horrendous weather at MAN, IOM, BHD, JER, HAN and others. Always felt safer with your real flying skills up front on a bad night, and not with some button pushers.
The great crew in the cabin: always cheery, up for a joke, but knowing that when push came to shove (perhaps literally), they were on top of their jobs.
What a loss; what a waste.
Here’s hoping for the best for you great guys.
You will be sorely missed by me, humble ageing passenger...
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I see that easyJet are offering to get people stranded by the Flybe to their booked destinations for £65 until May. It doesn't say how they will do this; for example if I am booked to fly SEN-GRQ-SEN will they carry me on the booked dates SEN-AMS-SEN for £65 per sector? Likewise if I'm booked to fly SEN-CFR will they take me to CDG on that basis?
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She was phd level incompetent. And the board loved her, which of course means they were incompetent. in an interview she said her proudest moment was saving everyone's jobs and pensions in the connect takeover meeting. This is obviously delusional bollocks as they probably said 'here is your 1p per share, stop talking and sign the forms'. Then on Radio 4 when that letter about 'incompetent cohorts'. was read out she acted as if she had never heard/seen it before by saying ;thats an interesting letter. This made her a coward as she had already suspended the person who wrote it. Oh, lets not forget that whilst the flybe was burning to the ground she was having open days for teenage girls to join the company. Thats obviously a priority.
Great crews let down by management who have the level of business acumen that would only qualify them to play Monopoly against monkeys on acid.
Great crews let down by management who have the level of business acumen that would only qualify them to play Monopoly against monkeys on acid.
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Replacing the BAe146 was the last good idea the airline had, getting 10 million from BA to take the regional business off their hands was probably the decision that sealed their fate. It seems like they never really got costs under control after that, never managed sustainable yield and were always seen as a second-rate alternative, partly due to the impression of poor operational reliability around the time of the BA Connect merger. Thats as much a marketing failure as anything else.
The Q400 wasn't a bad choice, but the ATR has increased in ability over the years, the additional speed can't really be used to any great advantage and the type had a few very high-profile landing gear accidents. Again, the E195 seemed like a decent choice at the time, but the lease costs were high and the fuel burn is equivalent to an A319 or A320, but with 20-50 fewer seats. Fine if you can get the yield, but flyBe clearly could not (see above).
flyBE had over 50% market share at many of the UK bases (from sky news).
- Anglesey (487) - 100%
- Southampton (14,274) - 95%
- Belfast City (13,767) - 79.5%
- Exeter (5,498) - 78%
- Newquay (2,679) - 65.9%
- Wick (413) - 58.7%
- Jersey (6,791) - 57.4%
- Cardiff (4,292) - 51.8%
- Guernsey (4,543) - 49.5%
- Isle of Man (3,190) - 49.4%
News from the Channel Islands suggests that both Blue Islands and Aurigny are going after the EXT and BHX routes from the islands (BI operated "rescue" flights to both yesterday, and are continuing them today).
Seem a bit crazy for both of them to be going after this, which (especially in winter) must be a fairly small market.
On-island politics in play (and not in a good way) perhaps?
Seem a bit crazy for both of them to be going after this, which (especially in winter) must be a fairly small market.
On-island politics in play (and not in a good way) perhaps?
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News from the Channel Islands suggests that both Blue Islands and Aurigny are going after the EXT and BHX routes from the islands (BI operated "rescue" flights to both yesterday, and are continuing them today).
Seem a bit crazy for both of them to be going after this, which (especially in winter) must be a fairly small market.
On-island politics in play (and not in a good way) perhaps?
Seem a bit crazy for both of them to be going after this, which (especially in winter) must be a fairly small market.
On-island politics in play (and not in a good way) perhaps?
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I think its getting a bit personal, acronyms of people's names, their gender, etc are entirely irrelevant to their ability. There are a selection of villains, if posters wish to consider them that way, in this story, right the way back to Jim French.
Replacing the BAe146 was the last good idea the airline had, getting 10 million from BA to take the regional business off their hands was probably the decision that sealed their fate. It seems like they never really got costs under control after that, never managed sustainable yield and were always seen as a second-rate alternative, partly due to the impression of poor operational reliability around the time of the BA Connect merger. Thats as much a marketing failure as anything else.
The Q400 wasn't a bad choice, but the ATR has increased in ability over the years, the additional speed can't really be used to any great advantage and the type had a few very high-profile landing gear accidents. Again, the E195 seemed like a decent choice at the time, but the lease costs were high and the fuel burn is equivalent to an A319 or A320, but with 20-50 fewer seats. Fine if you can get the yield, but flyBe clearly could not (see above).
flyBE had over 50% market share at many of the UK bases (from sky news).
Replacing the BAe146 was the last good idea the airline had, getting 10 million from BA to take the regional business off their hands was probably the decision that sealed their fate. It seems like they never really got costs under control after that, never managed sustainable yield and were always seen as a second-rate alternative, partly due to the impression of poor operational reliability around the time of the BA Connect merger. Thats as much a marketing failure as anything else.
The Q400 wasn't a bad choice, but the ATR has increased in ability over the years, the additional speed can't really be used to any great advantage and the type had a few very high-profile landing gear accidents. Again, the E195 seemed like a decent choice at the time, but the lease costs were high and the fuel burn is equivalent to an A319 or A320, but with 20-50 fewer seats. Fine if you can get the yield, but flyBe clearly could not (see above).
flyBE had over 50% market share at many of the UK bases (from sky news).
- Anglesey (487) - 100%
- Southampton (14,274) - 95%
- Belfast City (13,767) - 79.5%
- Exeter (5,498) - 78%
- Newquay (2,679) - 65.9%
- Wick (413) - 58.7%
- Jersey (6,791) - 57.4%
- Cardiff (4,292) - 51.8%
- Guernsey (4,543) - 49.5%
- Isle of Man (3,190) - 49.4%
Saad had put in place measures to try and save Flybe. Christine didn't seem to do much either way. And as I mentioned before, her experience speaks volumes. Cityjet made loss after loss, VLM was bought and disappeared (from a history of making money) and then Flybe made loss after loss and it's shareholders had their stake wiped out for a deal that has ultimately killed the company.
You say especially in winter, but we only have a few weeks left of winter season....
The bigger bun fight might come with all those flights that BEE used to operate every summer (esp. from JER) to every corner of the UK? (I'm thinking HUY, MME, ABZ, INV and the like)
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News from the Channel Islands suggests that both Blue Islands and Aurigny are going after the EXT and BHX routes from the islands (BI operated "rescue" flights to both yesterday, and are continuing them today).
Seem a bit crazy for both of them to be going after this, which (especially in winter) must be a fairly small market.
On-island politics in play (and not in a good way) perhaps?
Seem a bit crazy for both of them to be going after this, which (especially in winter) must be a fairly small market.
On-island politics in play (and not in a good way) perhaps?
Pete
" BHD, EXT, NQY, Wick, JER, IOM, CGI don't have viable train competition"
Exeter certainly does - 2hrs 15 to Paddington............. and quite a lot of trains a day
Exeter certainly does - 2hrs 15 to Paddington............. and quite a lot of trains a day
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Besides you are focussing only on the Exeter to London route. Getting from the Southwest to Manchester is a balls ache and with those flights 3-4 daily with Flybe this is a route I think needs to be reintroduced urgently. The flights often had healthy loads.
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Fair point. It looks like AUR are planning once daily to each from next week, so maybe there is room? (BEE operated to both multiple daily IIRC)
The bigger bun fight might come with all those flights that BEE used to operate every summer (esp. from JER) to every corner of the UK? (I'm thinking HUY, MME, ABZ, INV and the like)
The bigger bun fight might come with all those flights that BEE used to operate every summer (esp. from JER) to every corner of the UK? (I'm thinking HUY, MME, ABZ, INV and the like)
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Specifically EXT-LON, perhaps. If you are headed to other cities in the UK however. Quite a few connections to major UK cities would be operated by CrossCountry, which are chronically overcrowded.
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Fair point. It looks like AUR are planning once daily to each from next week, so maybe there is room? (BEE operated to both multiple daily IIRC)
The bigger bun fight might come with all those flights that BEE used to operate every summer (esp. from JER) to every corner of the UK? (I'm thinking HUY, MME, ABZ, INV and the like)
The bigger bun fight might come with all those flights that BEE used to operate every summer (esp. from JER) to every corner of the UK? (I'm thinking HUY, MME, ABZ, INV and the like)
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I think its getting a bit personal, acronyms of people's names, their gender, etc are entirely irrelevant to their ability. There are a selection of villains, if posters wish to consider them that way, in this story, right the way back to Jim French.
Replacing the BAe146 was the last good idea the airline had, getting 10 million from BA to take the regional business off their hands was probably the decision that sealed their fate. It seems like they never really got costs under control after that, never managed sustainable yield and were always seen as a second-rate alternative, partly due to the impression of poor operational reliability around the time of the BA Connect merger. Thats as much a marketing failure as anything else.
The Q400 wasn't a bad choice, but the ATR has increased in ability over the years, the additional speed can't really be used to any great advantage and the type had a few very high-profile landing gear accidents. Again, the E195 seemed like a decent choice at the time, but the lease costs were high and the fuel burn is equivalent to an A319 or A320, but with 20-50 fewer seats. Fine if you can get the yield, but flyBe clearly could not (see above).
flyBE had over 50% market share at many of the UK bases (from sky news).
Replacing the BAe146 was the last good idea the airline had, getting 10 million from BA to take the regional business off their hands was probably the decision that sealed their fate. It seems like they never really got costs under control after that, never managed sustainable yield and were always seen as a second-rate alternative, partly due to the impression of poor operational reliability around the time of the BA Connect merger. Thats as much a marketing failure as anything else.
The Q400 wasn't a bad choice, but the ATR has increased in ability over the years, the additional speed can't really be used to any great advantage and the type had a few very high-profile landing gear accidents. Again, the E195 seemed like a decent choice at the time, but the lease costs were high and the fuel burn is equivalent to an A319 or A320, but with 20-50 fewer seats. Fine if you can get the yield, but flyBe clearly could not (see above).
flyBE had over 50% market share at many of the UK bases (from sky news).
- Anglesey (487) - 100%
- Southampton (14,274) - 95%
- Belfast City (13,767) - 79.5%
- Exeter (5,498) - 78%
- Newquay (2,679) - 65.9%
- Wick (413) - 58.7%
- Jersey (6,791) - 57.4%
- Cardiff (4,292) - 51.8%
- Guernsey (4,543) - 49.5%
- Isle of Man (3,190) - 49.4%
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Very sad to see an airline go bust but to me it was inevitable, feel for the staff. May I humbly guide people in The Times today by an article by Alistair Osborne regarding the demise of the airline. I will not comment but just read it if you can.
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I would read it but don’t really want to pay for subscription now I’m unemployed
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Aurigny taking over Guernsey to Exeter and Birmingham.Birmingham flights start on 11th March and operate on Monday, Wednesday, Friday & Sunday. Plus from the 4th April we will be adding a Saturday flight, increasing our frequency to 5 direct flights a week.
Exeter flights start on the 12th March and operate on Monday, Thursday, Friday & Sunday. Again, from the 4th April we will be adding a Saturday flight, increasing our frequency to 5 direct flights a week.
Exeter flights start on the 12th March and operate on Monday, Thursday, Friday & Sunday. Again, from the 4th April we will be adding a Saturday flight, increasing our frequency to 5 direct flights a week.
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